
you also can’t separate the artist from their work—what they made is influenced by their underlying beliefs and worldview. can “bad” people make “good” art? yes. but that’s largely because of a *critical* reading of their work, a cultural resignification of parts of their work, the works interaction with a specific audience/subculture, an adaptation of their work, etc.
You can like art without supporting them financially. Art is also subjective and personal interpretation is removed from artist bias. Honestly once you realize someone isa piece of shit, if you are a decent person, you can phase them out of your consumption. But absolutely you can separate art from the artist.
this just isn’t true unless you have zero critical thinking skills and i really wish this take would die out. one, piracy exists!!! and two, we should be able to look at art with bad messages critically engage with them without it being some huge moral failing. this entire sentiment of completely cutting out media with problematic roots is really just giving book banning rebranded. 😭
Is that second part not a separation of the artist from their work? It is to me, and that's what I do. I love a lore of frankly shitty things by shitty people, and I just cut out the bad things and acknowledge how shitty it was. I think that's enough. (And don't give financial/moral support to them but that's obvious)
that's just not true??? I don't really care for Harry potter, but if you were to write, like, a hp fanfiction you could just... not include that? Or rewrite them? Or even write the characters addressing and fixing the issues?? I see it more as these medias having potential than being good. The bad artists beliefs make it bad, but that doesn't mean there aren't good ideas within that have to be trashed. This isn't even to mention much smaller projects that would be much easier to "fix."
Hey friend— can you separate this art piece from its artist? Hitler painted it and when he later went onto to attempt to get into art school he was rejected. The reason i make this comparison is because this painting cannot ever be separated from its connection to hitler. Im not saying JK rowling is hitler (i am tho lowkey) but the painting has to be understood in the context of its creator and cant be understood any other way.
Ok, I think we just have different views of what it even means. I don't think we should NOT consider the artist and acknowledge the context, especially if they did something horrible. I just think it doesn't mean you can never enjoy it or pull something good from it. Hogwarts is fun. Quidditch is fun. I understand that, you should be allowed to enjoy that, and you aren't a horrible person for it, as long as you acknowledge the creator is problematic. That's all I mean.
As for the painting, I don't know much about traditional painting but like, you could say "that's a good technique for painting trees" and use it in your work without being racist or loving hitler. I don't think the way he painted trees reflected his hatred for Jews. That is my version of separating the art and the artist.
The difference is you cannot have any productive or deep conversation with a piece of art or media without discussing context. I have a masters in history and it is impossible to fully understand and interpret some source without understanding the context of the author. And sure you can enjoy it, no one is stopping you. But the baggage of the context is there and is intwined with the art whether you like it or not. I mean fuck— kingsley shacklebolt, the irish character whos constantly exploding?
I mean, yeah, I agree. That's the same thing I'm saying. I just don't care and don't think anyone should care if you like something made by a shitty person as long as you are aware they're shitty and aware of how it reflects in their work. I don't get the point you're trying to make atp. Do you think it's morally wrong to ever enjoy something made by someone problematic??
I don’t think anyone on this app should be acting like they’re the arbiter of what’s morally right and wrong. The world isn’t black white and people aren’t bad just because they separated the art from the artist and you didn’t. Maybe you should try to get off your pedestal once in a while.