Anonymous #1 1d

So nonbinary people can’t be lesbians? Because that’s been widely agreed on for ages

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Anonymous #2 1d

Im nonbinary and I would find it rude if I identified as a lesbian, im not saying trans men can’t call themselves lesbians, but then again it’s all opinions based, I feel as if terms like lesbian are based on gender not what’s in your pants, isn’t that what we want? if you call yourself a lesbian based of what’s in your pants and not what you identify as, then you just negate everything trans people fight for.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Oh ew.

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Anonymous #2 1d

So instead of having a civil discussion, u resort to reply like a child, I see, im down to hear your opinions, I never said my opinion was set in stone

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Anonymous #1 1d

I call myself a lesbian because I am a lesbian. I’m dysphoric about my genitals so definitely not that. It’s also not “rude” to identify any way.

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Anonymous #2 1d

And that’s completely valid, but in my case im nonbinary because I don’t feel keen to either gender, even though I have the parts of a man. Still feels wrong to call myself a lesbian, at the end of the day it’s all just confusing, there isn’t a right or wrong, and maybe I came off a little strong and that’s my fault, I meant no harm, I was sharing my opinion in hopes someone would have an argument to change my mind.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I’ll be so real you’re talking about how I base my sexuality on genitals and birth sex while also saying you have the parts of a man. Either things are tied to genitals or not.

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Anonymous #2 1d

That was just context…

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Anonymous #1 1d

But do you see what I’m saying. You have the parts of a Nonbinary person. Lesbianism does not exclude nonbinary people, and many lesbians I know are not binary. To say that it does not alienates a large group of the lesbians I am friends with, and is strange and invalidating to say that others cannot identify any way, and that it’s somehow tied to our sex. Trans women can be lesbians. Nonbinary people can be lesbians. Anyone can be a lesbian if they identify that way in good faith

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Anonymous #2 1d

Genitalia does not matter. Birth sex does not matter. What matters to me personally is that a lesbian is not attracted to cis men, or trans men who do not identify as lesbians. Personally I’d date a trans man lesbian because he is a lesbian. I wouldn’t date a straight trans man because he’s straight, and a man.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Ok then by your logic cis men can call themselves lesbians as long as it’s in good faith right

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Anonymous #1 1d

So if you could read we wouldn’t have this issue

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Anonymous #2 1d

Hey, so I can read, still doesn’t answer my question

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Anonymous #1 1d

Also what CIS MAN would in good faith identify with the sexuality that is majority women loving women. If a CIS MAN truly deeply feels a deep internal connection with women and womanhood and lesbianism I think she has some soul searching to do

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Anonymous #2 1d

U used she and women, does that mean trans men are women then? If they identify with being a lesbian, u called him a she even though he goes by he, isn’t that the same for trans men?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Also like if a person who truly believes he is a cis man also fully believes that he has a deep connection to lesbianism in a way that isn’t just fetishising, I’d respect that. But I’ve NEVER seen a person like that who didn’t come out as trans later on. And by alienating people like that, who think they’re cis men who deeply identify with lesbians, you’re alienating a lot of people who will eventually transition.

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Anonymous #1 1d

so the word majority exists, and was used in that sentence.

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Anonymous #2 1d

And like even if they don’t, WHO CARESSSS

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Anonymous #2 1d

Like I have NEVER seen a cis man who genuinely identifies as a lesbian and is not saying it as a joke or as a pornbrained thing.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Thank you

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Anonymous #2 1d

But I’ve seen dozens of trans men who GENUINELY AND FULLY identify with the lesbian label and who are in their lesbian communities and love lesbians and are loved as lesbians and I’m sick and tired of people saying that’s wrong and that those people shouldn’t exist and forcing labels onto them when THEY LABELED THEMSELVES

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Anonymous #1 1d

??

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Anonymous #2 1d

I said im open to learn, i was just confused that’s all, im on the spectrum and sometimes I just genuinely get confused by these topics, thank you for taking the time out of your day to explain this to me, I genuinely mean no harm, I just want to make sure im on the right side of things, thank you again

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Anonymous #1 1d

Hey it’s okay!! I know I can come off as an asshole but I’ve just had to fight for myself and my community a LOT and I’m tired. I appreciate your willingness to learn and listen. It’s been very good for me too to actually figure out what I care about with these arguments. And for me that’s just, not alienating pre transition people, and allowing people to identify as they want and be in communities they are parts of and not thrown out of those spaces

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Anonymous #2 1d

Thank you, and in no ways was i trying to alienate anyone, there are just so many sexuality’s and genders that, it can all be confusing, especially when the community is torn on so many topics, I prefer having debates over arguments, because in debates you can actually learn something from someone else, instead of fighting, im glad you took the time to explain this to me, instead of calling me names and acting like im stupid, im not ignorant just confused, thank you again stranger

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yeah I sorry if I was mean, it’s hard for me to know who’s actually asking and who’s just being rude and argumentative because they already made their mind up and hate me :) I wasn’t saying you’re alienating people! I just realised that it’s important to me that I DONT and that’s what my way of thinking stems from.

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Anonymous #2 1d

That’s that valid and I never though of it that way, the last we want to do is tear this community apart from the inside when people are already trying to do it from the outside, and don’t be sorry, I was the one that definitely came off rude, im sorry

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Anonymous #1 1d

This same shit has been posted multiple times daily, it’s at a point where very little if any actual discussion happens. All you need to know is that people identify how they want and it has nothing to do with you

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