They also forget the fact that PBs are completely safe and reversible and hormones can be stopped and largely undone early on in their use as well, and that there are techniques to undo the changes (voice training, electrolysis, weight cycling, etc). But noooo, hate on a minority and make sure *nobody* gets the care they need instead. 🙄
Some trans kids get top surgery as minors (16+ usually), and they should be allowed to do that. Like I'm 100% on board with your point but you're also kind of saying that you also think those kids shouldn't be able to get top surgery when that’s basically the only surgery that's considered medically for trans youth
Tbh there aren’t many downsides other than it’s an unnecessary risk. Doctors, no matter how much practice, can still botch a surgery and your kid might leave with half of what they came with. Or they might not even realize until the dude gets older and he’ll need surgery again, but as an adult. People also say it’s cleaner when cut, but that’s just if you’re lazy and don’t clean your dick. If you shower like a normal person, you’re fine. You also get to keep more nerve endings which feels nice
Circumcision was never medically necessary and the West didn’t do so at all unless you were Jewish until it became a thing in North America, specifically the USA. There was actually a ban on it in the 15th century imposed by the Council of Florence, banning the practice across Christendom, and this persisted until the 19th century. This isn’t, and never was, about hygiene, it’s about the delusional belief that it has any benefit and literally soap and water are enough to clean it.
There are way more downsides than you’d think, the risk for infection being one of them, but it also paradoxically increases your risk of STDs and penile cancer overall. We don’t know why. Also, the female equivalent, even done under anesthesia, is considered to be borderline sexual assault, and is banned by basically every country on earth.
i don’t think they’re trying to say they can’t do that. i think they’re trying to say that gender affirming care is not always surgery, and it includes more than “sex change operations on kids” as conservatives like to put it. it includes puberty blockers, hormones, voice therapy, etc. surgeries can and do happen for older kids, but they’re rare because they have to be on hormones prior to getting surgery, and by banning all gender affirming care for minors, they’re restricting the ability to -
Like imo trans kids should be allowed to access cosmetic surgeries if they want to and doctors and (not transphobic) parents are on board. I don’t think saying "the hypothetical you're thinking of doesn’t happen" is helpful here. Trans kids have a right to bodily autonomy and a right to not have transphobes sticking their noses into their medical business. Just because they're misinformed about how transitioning works doesn't mean we should sinplify it for them in a way that's more restrictive
Top surgery is also EXTREMELY reversible, like you lose milk ducts if you are FtM, but that is so easy to get around. And considering in my experience top surgery mitigates dysphoria more than bottom surgery (from the various trans individuals I have met), even IF we accept the de-transition rhetoric and statistics, we STILL end up with less problems.
That’s true, I should have been more specific - I was referring more to transphobic people’s complaints of “mutilating” children so I wanted to point out that young children are not having surgery for gender dysphoria, it’s treated (for lack of a better term) with safer alternatives