Anonymous #6 21h

2) you cannot police who comes to pride or if they bring their children, we can’t say everyone is welcome and then say “nope never mind I wanna be topless so you’re actually not welcome” in public spaces… mind you, public indecency is a crime in literally every country (and has nothing to do with sexuality, there’s indecency laws in place for a reason)

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Anonymous #6 21h

“public indecency is literally a crime” what’re you a cop? it is actually fine for a 10 year old to see someone with their tits out wearing pasties. the idea that people are completely naked at pride is a piece of conservative propaganda and actually taking that idea seriously to police other queer people is pathetic and divorced from reality

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Anonymous #6 21h

Sure but the public indecency laws are dramatically different based on where you are. Sometimes men can be topless but women can’t while in other places both men and women can be topless. As to address your point about kids—it’s the parent’s choice to bring kids to pride. Pride ISN’T a kid event, and doesn’t cater to kids. People shouldn’t have to cater to kids at pride and turn down there celebration and kids can still learn about acceptance without going to pride.

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Anonymous #8 21h

Mr. Shearhead has a great video on Instagram about if his son is coming to pride. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZTelrwvNE1/?igsh=MWswZGVmd2Z0Z2R0Yg==

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Anonymous #8 21h

So what all of a sudden happened to “pride is for everybody of all ages to celebrate being yourself”? Choose an agenda

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Anonymous #1 20h

I love the smell of deleted comments in the morning

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Anonymous #6 20h

OH you used the “agenda” word unironically! That’s called a “dogwhistle,” my peep!

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Anonymous #6 20h

judging someone based on what they’re wearing is the same argument republicans use to strip rights away from people

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Anonymous #9 20h

so why should we, as liberals, judge what they wear if it’s not offensive?

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Anonymous #6 20h

There are some pride event specific for kids(at least in my area) and then the main celebration is not intended for kids. Also I’m curious about what side you are on? You views seem to lean more right and if so I was under the impression that the right doesn’t want kids to be included in pride, so we did that by making a pride event where adults don’t need to censor because it’s not geared for kids? But you seem very up in arms about kids not being included.

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Anonymous #6 20h

I’m just trying to understand where you are coming from or to use your words, I’m trying to understand your “agenda”

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Anonymous #6 20h

But it is offensive. The words and symbols have a specific meaning, often demeaning or harassing a specific group of people. Often the meaning is in support of that group of being attacked or less than human—that can make people of that minority feel unsafe and it IS OFFENSIVE.

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Anonymous #6 20h

It’s the parent’s responsibility to decide what their child is exposed and what they’re sheltered from and that includes pride. If you as a parent don’t feel comfortable with your kids seeing certain expected parts of the queer community at pride, don’t bring your kids. Pride is a celebration of the queer community and is also a protest. Always has been. In no universe has modesty ever been a goal of pride.

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Anonymous #8 20h

I am in fact a liberal. I’m just using logic.

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Anonymous .gaia. 20h

So parents should now have to police anywhere there kids go for the entire month of June just because we’re gay and want our tiddies and dicks out?

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Anonymous #11 20h

EXACTLY AND NOW I’M BEING CALLED A RIGHT WING?

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Anonymous #6 20h

Dude. We’re talking about pride events, not the entirety of pride month. No one’s going to the grocery store with their tiddies and dicks out (at least not for the sake of pride)

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Anonymous #12 20h

As if there isn’t a new pride event everyday during pride MONTH. Key word. MONTH. God forbid I make the point that something PUBLIC should be child friendly as children are in fact allowed in public. Again- we shouldn’t police kids and parents, and vise versa. I swear it’s accept all except when it’s isn’t beneficial to us in this community. As a DEMOCRAT, it’s sad.

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Anonymous #6 20h

What are you referring to as “pride events” it seems like you are under the impression that during June everywhere you go is a pride event that you need to shelter you kids from. While it seems like the majority of people are referring to “pride” as the big pride events like parades and so on. The big pride events are not and have never been marketed as “safe for kids” hence why they often aren’t while there are specific pride events that are for kids.

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Anonymous #11 20h

There are many child friendly pride events. Intentionally bringing your children to a non child friendly pride event is your problem, not everyone else’s. Also, I don’t remember who said it but no one’s going there completely naked. I’ve also never heard of people going there with their genitals out. So, that leaves me to think you’re really talking about boobs when you call it flashing. Boobs are not inherently sexual, children are not harmed by seeing them

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Anonymous #6 20h

My apologies but your logic as everyone is pointing out seems flawed which is confusing for determining what your beliefs and values are

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Anonymous #6 20h

As 12 said we are just talking about the major pride events, which are a celebration and statement of sexual freedom, sexuality, gender, and being loud and proud. the etiquette considered okay and normal during pride celebrations are NOT considered normal or okay anywhere else

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Anonymous #6 20h

So no parents don’t have to worry for the entirety of June, they only have to worry if they take there kids to specific pride events. For example if you take your kids to a R rated movie you can’t complain it’s R rated. If you take your kids to a concert that says 18 and above you can’t complain it’s to sexual or the songs are to vulgar because it’s expected based on who it’s marketed to

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Anonymous #6 19h

There’s not a new pride event every day during pride? At least not where I live. Maybe once a week and about half the events are specifically targeted towards teens or kids? While the other half are more targeted towards adults which are the ones that you can’t complain they are too adult

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Anonymous #6 19h

If you go to a nudie beach in Europe you expect to see people with their bits out. If you go to an R rated movie you expect violence. X rated expect sex and violence and gore. Go to Mardi Gras and expect to see topless dancers. It’s no different lmao. Pride isn’t about being prudish.

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Anonymous #6 19h

Accepting all and creating a utopia is IMPOSSIBLE. If we except kids we are shutting down and not accepting adults and vise versa. Which is why there are different events for kids and adults(while any age group can go to any event some have target audiences) so that everyone’s needs can be met and they can feel included in the celebration

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Anonymous .gaia. 19h

I participated in Pride in Boston, yknow in the puritan state, and I had my club clothes on and my pup hood and so did my friends. Didn’t really get looks and didn’t pay attention to the ones I got

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Anonymous #8 19h

Holy shit we know you’re a Republican already, you don’t have to KEEP TELLING US. Jesus Christmas Christ shut the fuck up.

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Anonymous #6 19h

You are. You keep using right wing talking points, with a right wing syntax, and using the terms “liberal” and “democrat” as if they mean the same thing as “leftist.” If you aren’t right wing, you sure act exactly like you would if you were. The “three” thing from inglorious basterds? That’s you.

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Anonymous #6 19h

delusional people fr. also them just assuming what you actually mean or say based off of the vocabulary you use. they just want to argue and feel right about themselves. i have never seen so many lgbt people in one spot who are so insistent on excluding other lgbt people/families. it’s fucking sad that our community has come to this

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Anonymous #11 19h

There. Are. Child. Friendly. Pride events

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Anonymous #11 19h

Dude. No one who doesn’t consume right wing media writes like that, at least not without trying to. Like it or not, how someone communicates tells you more about them than what they communicate.

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Anonymous #1 19h

you need to get off the internet if you genuinely think that vocabulary is restricted to a political ideology. not everyone talks in a way that fits your idea of how someone believes politically. if you talked to anyone in real life, you’d see that easily. different people talk in different ways and automatically assigning a “side” to someone based solely off of how they talk shows how ignorant you are.

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Anonymous #1 19h

Someone’s vocabulary does not indicate their political stance, god forbid I say children should never ever be exposed to literal indecency. People like you are why the LGBTQ community looks bad, because you exclude families, then cry victim when parents complain about not wanting to expose their kids to nudity. It’s not about the sexuality. It’s about LITERAL NUDITY.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Bro what? I’m so confused😭 im literally on your side and saying that there are kid friendly pride events and that queer people shouldn’t have to suppress there identity at pride events not meant for kids Idk why your replying to me 😭 I was trying to also shut down #6

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Anonymous #6 18h

It does to a degree. For example the “gay agenda” is right wing vocab people who aren’t right wing don’t have those words in their daily vocab….

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Anonymous #6 18h

it’s actually brain dead how much mental gymnastics they’re using to justify this. there are lgbt teens, lgbt children, lgbt families, and they all have a right to go to pride and be comfortable. other lgbt folk who want pride to be more accessible to families does not mean they’re republican/right wing. pride does not belong to only one segment of the community, it is a celebration of the broad lgbt community, and that includes families.

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Anonymous #8 18h

I don’t know why I’m being downvoted either 😭 all I said was that there’s adult pride events and kid pride events…

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Anonymous #11 18h

There’s KID pride events and ADULT pride events for a reason😭 you guys are literally ignoring everything and just going in circles

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Anonymous #11 18h

I said “syntax,” not vocabulary. That’s an important distinction because syntax also includes grammar, framing, and voice, in this context. Your speech patterns (or dialect) are largely based on the speech patterns of those around you and the media you consume. This is very observable in real life, if anything it’s harder tell on the internet because it’s easier to fake a given dialect.

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Anonymous #8 18h

Oh I meant to reply to 6 not you, finger slipped 😅 sorry lol

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Anonymous #6 18h

It’s not about nudity. It’s never been about nudity, it will never be about nudity. To homophobes, girls kissing, men in drag, and all trans people are infinitely more obscene than nudity could ever be.

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Anonymous #11 18h

I feel like this conversation was already had but theres a difference between family friendly pride events (which is the parade and with all the tents outside, maybe there might be a tent that has stuff to educate ppl about safe sex with free condoms and maybe education about prep but they won’t give that to a child ofc) and the adult/21+ pride events which are at a different location/time and pretty hard to accidentally walk into, maybe your area is different but i don’t think anyone is-

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Anonymous #14 18h

-advocating for children to be flashed or harmed

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Anonymous #1 18h

Your good that’s what I assumed

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Anonymous #14 16h

But the issue is they are, and I’m being blatantly attacked for saying children are. Pack up the circus.

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Anonymous #6 16h

can yall like, go outside and touch grass? this conversation clearly isnt going to convince anyone of anything, so why keep is going?

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Anonymous #6 16h

Wdym? No one here is saying children should be brought to these adult events where they could potentially be exposed to inappropriate things, ive only seen people saying theres a difference between the family friendly events and the ones made for adults/adult activities, like you wouldn’t bring a baby to a bar crawl

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Anonymous #14 16h

You made the assumption that every pride event is for all ages/crowds which is not at all the reality of these events and why its so important to have a good event planning team so these misunderstandings dont happen, ive never seen someone’s dih out at the events ive attended so again, may be your area having an issue, but its weird to project that onto the whole community & pride events

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Anonymous #14 16h

Tbh I don’t think this person has ever been to a pride event. I think they only know what Faux News told them…

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Anonymous #1 15h

Yeah I gotta agree, I hate that most of these open discussions just turn to bad faith shit slinging, like im sure theres an example or two of a mishandling or an individual doing something inappropriate but I hate how that is somehow used to ignore the reality of how these events are actually run and how the community actually functions, it seems like this guy thinks the community is somehow a hive mind with himself as an exception

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Anonymous #14 15h

I don’t see myself to be an exception, I’m talking about the fact that we (as a community) bitch and complain about rights, and then when people ask us to cover up because children are around, we play victim… if it was the same way for straight people, you’d agree with me within a millisecond and we both know it. Again, this is all coming from a gay man.

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Anonymous #6 15h

in what way would a child be harmed by seeing breasts? "LITERAL NUDITY" being the crux of your argument is so dumb. i went to events where there were nude adults in nonsexual contexts from the age of 8 or so and up. it's not actually damaging to kids to see a naked body if they’re not being put into dangerous or uncomfortable situations about it.

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Anonymous #6 15h

also like its kind of irrelevant because like everyone on this thread has said over and over and over, there are some SFW pride events where kids are welcome, and some NSFW pride events where kids are not. bring your kid to the first kind if you're scared of boobs and butts

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Anonymous #6 15h

Again, maybe im just in the dark about people being weird, but the events open to the pubic (like the actual parade and tents and such) do not have people exposing themselves any more than what a swimsuit would cover, no one has their bits hanging out in my experience. I’ve of course heard different things about some 21+ events, but again, you won’t just stumble into that while walking down the street.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Kinda wanna block you and see who else disappears…

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Anonymous #14 15h

Not to mention that there is often the local police at these events so if anyone is exposing their bits in a publicly indecent way, they are dealt with. So im not sure where you get the idea that people are regularly doing sick things to children at these events.

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Anonymous #6 15h

gotta add, some states you can be completely naked and its legal, some states you dont need to cover your tits. not just for pride, any time. if you’re moral outrage was with children seeing bits, why are you just limiting it to pride month?

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Anonymous #14 15h

funny you say cops will be there when everyone else is calling for cops to not be present. i’d hate to see what happens if someone decides to resort to violence and there’s no cops around. pick a struggle

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Anonymous #11 14h

Once again treating us as monolith, whether people feel safe around cops given how the law enforcement used to be used to harm & violate members of our community during bar raids is a different conversation, if you’re not ready for nuance and reality im not sure theres a point in continuing this

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Anonymous #6 12h

I implore you to look up the Fremont Solstice Parade.

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Anonymous #11 12h

Most pride events I’ve been to have been local events that essentially boil down to gay flavored street fairs. These pride events where people show up in kink gear or are topless are ones in MAJOR cities. Though theres something to be said about certain events potentially creating safe places or times for kids, don’t act like every pride event has a topless lesbian prowling around the corner waiting to flash a child. Most of them are local and totally SFW from my experience

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Anonymous #6 11h

While this is true, there are some 18+ and 21+ pride events for this specific reason, it’s no different from a lewd drag show

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Anonymous #22 2h

Conservatives call us perverts regardless, dumbass. To them, girls kissing is more obscene than nudity and violence could ever be

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