Anonymous OP 3w

I assume they go under non-binary “And more!”

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Anonymous OP 3w

man and woman are binary genders. what's heteronormative about acknowledging that? they aren't non-binary soo I'm confused

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Anonymous #2 3w

the gender binary is a system, of which patriarchy and cissexism are constitutive. trans men and trans women necessarily destabilize that system. ftw i dont think it’s helpful to refer to anyone (cis or trans) as a “binary” man or woman, the word people usually mean is “gender conforming”. i think it makes it harder to understand what the gender binary is/refers to and why it’s problematic, it’s not just men and women existing.

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Anonymous #3 3w

it is helpful, because I don't mean gender conforming, I'm just talking about how they identify. a man or woman, whether they are cis or trans, are one of two genders in the gender binary system. that's true, those are binary genders. they aren't non- binary genders. avoiding calling it that just seems needlessly nebulous/confusing

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Anonymous #2 3w

is your definition of a man/woman “someone who identifies as a man/woman”? because that is not how a person is understood as a subject of the gender binary. the gender binary is a system which posits only two genders, which are opposite and distinct. it doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it is an interlocking system with all other forms of oppression (most relevantly patriarchy and cissexism, but also racism, ableism, etc). man and woman are narrowly understood and defined according to those standards.

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Anonymous #2 3w

also tbh i have never found a context where its necessary to specify “binary” man or woman… they’re the two “binary” genders so it is implied, so you can just say man or woman. +ime when someone is using it as label for another person they are usually using it to mean gender-conforming (even if you’re not). i also very rarely see it used as a self-descriptor, so i find it pretty odd when someone applies “binary” as a label to someone else without their identifying with it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Trans man and trans woman literally is binary…wdym, it’s a person saying they’re fully a man or woman, not somewhere in between the binaries or out of the binary (which both fall under non-binary here)

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Anonymous #2 3w

2 is correct here imo -- a binary trans woman. Just because I am trans does not mean I’m not heterosexual nor heteronormative and it doesn’t mean I destabilize the binary. I’m a woman, a girlie, a straight girl. So sorry to not live up to expectations but I do exist within the binary 😨💞

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Anonymous #3 3w

man and woman are the two genders of the binary gender system. that is a true statement. as a non-binary person I don't understand your aversion to acknowledging the binary genders. my gender identity is categorized under non-binary. and I'm fine with that. why should it be any different for binary gender identities? I don't get why it's an issue for you but only for them. my gender id gets categorized but the "normal ones" shouldn't be? bc that's what I'm getting

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Anonymous #3 3w

me when I use big words just to use them and then my statement is extremely hard to read and makes little sense

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