Anonymous #2 13w

History is just a pendulum of progress. It continuously goes back and forth, unfortunately. Look at the 60s - 80s time period. The 60s (and 70s partially) brought civil rights movements for multiple groups and then the 80s gave us Ronald Reagan and the satanic panic. We had a great move of progress in the early 2010s and then that shifted again. It’s frustrating but history shows it happens

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Anonymous #3 13w

"History is just a pendulum of progress" is absolute bullshit. When the "pendulum" swung back to the democrats they threw trans people under the fucking bus. We're heading straight forward into fascism and if you can't understand that fuck out of here with the metaphors

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Anonymous #4 13w

Right… I never said that we weren’t going into fascism, and also never once claimed democrats were saviors and that everything is great and a progressive dream under them… I’m well aware where we’re headed because I can understand history. Have a day

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Anonymous #3 13w

Hi op here, I think it’s less of a “pendulum” and more of a “capitalism works by establish powder dynamics that are extremely difficult to break, and said power dynamics have stayed instilled over time since the dawn of capitalism, and it’s very structure reinforced them into a state of nearly perpetual motion where the power remains in the hand of a few individuals due to a lack of class consciousness (stemmed from a lack of community resources and interdependence loss from individualism)”

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Anonymous OP 13w

Every time a capitalist power structure is overthrown- another piller of capitalism comes in to uphold the status quo (aka the CIA overthrowing other governments, and infiltrating resistance groups, and other similar situations). It’s all about the powerful remaining powerful through supremacy ideals controlling education and the economy.

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Anonymous OP 13w

That’s true. It adds some good context for sure. Same reason we have concepts like “rainbow capitalism” in which people in a society show that they care about something so businesses use minority groups to make a profit only to turn away from us as soon as the going gets tough. It’s all a profit margin and it’s all power

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Anonymous #11 13w

This isn’t like getting a fucking tattoo. If a trans minor wishes to begin puberty blockers they have to go through years of physiological therapy and get letters from 2 separate physiologists specializing in pediatric care. The doctor and parents have to sign off on this as well. This is all for puberty blockers which are something that is not a permanent change, stop taking them and puberty resumes. To get actual hormones too takes more psychological analysis.

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Anonymous #6 13w

The medical establishment has already figured out how to reduce harm as much as possible. Regret rates for gender transition is less than 1%. Fucking knee surgery is at close to 20%. So if your logic holds true no high school athlete should be allowed to get knee surgery or replacement if they get injured, we should stick them in a wheelchair and end their sporting career denying them scholarships until they turn 18, in case they regret it. Trans kids **kill themselves** when denied this care

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Anonymous #14 13w

The Tennessee law explicitly allows that. These treatments are only banned for the purpose of treating gender dysphoria. You’re not gonna win CIS people over this way. Because it doesn’t force them to reject the narrative that trans people aren’t real, they’re just delusional or men who want to SA women in bathrooms. Also trans people can be straight? We need to convince CIS people, there are plenty of cis gays who wanna throw us under the bus too, not the majority, probably 20%.

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Anonymous #6 13w

I know trans people can be straight, that’s why I said “some”. I didn’t know that the law specifically targets body dysmorphia but what I said can be applied to general convos I’ve had and seen in lots of social and government environments. (Which is what I was referring to) Also it’s not my job to “win CIS people over” and it’s definitely not my intentions in making this post. Those people need to educate and dismantle their hatred themselves.

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Anonymous #4 13w

Blaming the democrats for trans people losing rights is insane actually

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Anonymous #15 13w

nobody’s blaming the democrats for where we’re at… but you’d have to be blind to think they didn’t immediately say “damn we really lost this election because we supported trans ppl too much”

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Anonymous #16 13w

Some democrats said that. Others have said differently. There is more than one faction in the party, and rich MSM commentators don’t portray party policy

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Anonymous #11 13w

it's literally life saving medical care. banning it will result in dead kids. in no other case can you deny medically necessary care to kids bc "it's permanent" this logic is only ever applied when it's medical care for trans kids, every other type of medical care for children is fine, why is that?

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Anonymous #15 13w

I'm sure they meant the state (lawmakers) of Tennessee, not you. I hope you're holding up okay 🩷

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Anonymous #18 13w

Yes I absolutely meant the bigoted lawmakers

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Anonymous OP 13w

Trust me, I’m from IN, and I love being a Hoosier. Im very proud of how and where I grew up, and I’m a huger believer in that folks shouldn’t have to move to gain basic human rights. Tennessee’s citizens shouldn’t have to flee the state to access life saving medical care.

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Anonymous #18 13w

I'm okay for now. I'm blessed I live in a blue city but it sucks I really can't leave said city.

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Anonymous OP 13w

Thank you

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Anonymous #19 13w

“They can wait until 18 it’s not the end of the world” is the most privileged cis take i may have ever heard. You haven’t experienced gender dysphoria so maybe don’t comment on how big a deal it is. Trans kids fucking kill themselves when denied this care, as in slit wrists, GSW to the brain, pill overdose. The entire medical consensus says that gender care is lifesaving and children are capable of making this decision in concert with psychiatrists, parents, and doctors

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Anonymous #19 13w

i would’ve killed myself if i had to wait until 18.

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Anonymous #20 13w

good thing no one fucking asked you for your opinion

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Anonymous #6 13w

gender dysphoria is a mental illness and should be treated as such especially for children. treatment and therapy should take precedence over life changing surgeries.

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Anonymous #19 13w

no one gives surgeries to children and you’d know that if you actually gave a fuck outside of your transphobic nonsense

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Anonymous #12 13w

how is it transphobic to want to protect children I’m confused

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Anonymous #19 13w

bc you’re making shit up to fit your rhetoric.

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Anonymous #19 13w

you don’t want to protect children, you want children to suffer for an extended amount of time that they have a high chance of not surviving.

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Anonymous #19 13w

what have I made up? gender dysphoria is a mental health condition and is distressing under those circumstances children cannot be trusted to make big life altering decisions which is why waiting until they’re older is just safer and smarter. either way it’s already passed so at least lawmakers are smart enough to know this

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Anonymous #19 13w

that children are receiving surgeries. and calling our currrent lawmakers smart in the state of this country is fucking wild. get off you’re fucking high horse and read what people are saying to you. i’ll repeat that i would be six feet under if i didn’t start hrt at 17. and there are hundreds of kids that are already buried because they didn’t have the opportunities i do. you lack empathy and sense and it’s fucking disgusting

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Anonymous #12 13w

i mean all children suffer with depression and anxiety they experience puberty, fluctuating hormones and things like that but that doesn’t mean we allow them full autonomy lol. we treat them with therapy not let them change their entire bodies when they may not even like their decision in the future. they’re not old enough to make that decision yet. i’m not saying they shouldn’t when they’re older but as a child that’s too extreme

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Anonymous #19 13w

I’m not transphobic, but I fully agree with this sentiment. If you believe you would kill yourself for not getting this care, you need therapy. I understand 16 and up, anything less, from personal experience, is much too young to make such decisions for yourself. Those care options do have long term effects that can be regretted and then have them kill themselves when they’re older. This isn’t black and white.

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Anonymous #22 13w

trans people do get therapy prior to gender affirming care. being trans is not a decision. I don't understand why you think you know better than actual medical professionals

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Anonymous #20 13w

you disagree with doctors and psychologists? okayyy

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Anonymous #22 13w

you may not be transphobic, but you clearly don't have a great understanding of trans health care or the effectiveness gender affirming care has in preventing suicides. if you don't know what you're talking about, you aren't entitled to an opinion on other people's access to medical care. I don't understand why everyone gets to have an opinion on this, superceding actual medical professionals and medical science.

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Anonymous #19 13w

we don't deny kids medical care in any other instance. they already have to get therapy, gender affirming care is proven to be effective in preventing suicides and improving quality of life. kid wants medicine. psychologist, medical doctors, psychiatrists all figure out what the best treatment is. and then insert you: someone who has no clue what they're talking about, gatekeeping medical care from kids over risks already weighed by everyone involved. the entitlement is bizarre.

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Anonymous #22 13w

regret rates for gender affirming care are about 1%. knee surgery is around 20% should we deny knee surgery to minors who need it bc they may regret it later? despite what the kid wants, what his doctor recommends, what his psychologist recommends? what sense does that make on any planet? how about we mind our business?

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Anonymous #22 13w

exactly! and hopefully this will be a sweeping judgment across the board. kids are very sensitive to being impressionable and many times the “dysphoria” they feel is crossed with other mental issues like autism and anxiety. like i said before a literal symptom of puberty is feeling uncomfortable in your own skin and confusion about your identity. not to mention the sudden influx on social media. they need psychotherapy and counseling at this age before making any impulsive decisions.

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Anonymous #18 13w

I’m not saying it’s a decision, I’m saying that young people may misinterpret if they’re truly trans or if they’re feeling something else. Even with therapy and testing. And actually, I’m an empathetic person who would absolutely advocate for doing what’s best for any individual on an individual level. You are not a dictator and you do not decide if someone can have an opinion or not. We are in this world together and isolating trans issues only separates us.

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Anonymous #18 13w

I obviously do not know better than medical professionals, however I do watch medical interviews and stay up to date on the latest research and what’s going on in our world. From watching and reading those, I understand there’s a huge push for these professionals to set young children with gender affirming care with little testing. Contrary to popular belief of them being hesitant and against it.

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Anonymous #18 13w

I do not care what care children receive. I’m making the statement that under 16 you have a higher chance of making decisions you will regret. I’m not saying it’s 100% not even 1% all I’m saying is I’m going to support and advocate for legislation that minimizes overall harm. I know how helpful gender affirming care is, like you said you got it at 17, not 13,14, or 15.

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Anonymous #19 13w

Exactly, exactly. This is all I’m saying.

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Anonymous #22 13w

those of us who can think critically understand your part lol

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Anonymous #22 13w

do some research on trans people and healthcare before spouting your bullshit. no one starts hrt before 16, that’s literally how it works. you need several letters from therapists and doctors confirming that you need it. i was suicidal BECAUSE my gender dysphoria was untreated and i got better when i had access to support and treatment. preventing kids from accessing puberty blockers and eventually hrt at 16 bc thats how it fucking works no one is giving hormones to a prepubescent child

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Anonymous #12 13w

law has been passed already buddy take it up with them

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Anonymous #22 13w

equals dead kids. do research on regret rates for gender affirming care and suicide rates for trans youth. all you are advocating for is suffering and i hope you understand that.

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Anonymous #19 13w

go fuck yourself <3

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Anonymous #19 13w

you’re an ignorant piece of shit.

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Anonymous #12 13w

nah I’m advocating for child safety and thank god lawmakers are defending that 🤣

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Anonymous #22 13w

thank you. children threatening to kill themselves because they’re not given unquestioned access to procedures that will make them medical patients for the rest of their lives is a pretty good sign that they are not mature or mentally stable enough for those procedures

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Anonymous #23 7w

nobody said unquestioned access. medical safeguards and guidelines already existed. this is just banning perfectly valid and recognized medical care for no good reason other than people not believing that trans children exist. children are not having "procedures" as you put it

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