Anonymous #1 7w

Cults pray on your vulnerabilities. They’re good at what they do, and it’s a lot easier than you think for “fully formed adults” to fall into one

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Anonymous #2 7w

They can be held accountable, and still be victims. Those are not mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous #4 7w

It’s how adults end up in abusive relationships too. Just because someone is a “fully formed adult” doesn’t mean they are unable to become victimized

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Anonymous #4 7w

i never said they were 👍

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Anonymous #2 7w

You implied it

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Anonymous #3 7w

People can be born or indoctrinated into cults and religions. I didn’t choose to be raised catholic for example.

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Anonymous #2 7w

That is the implication when you comment “accountability?” Under a post about victims of cults

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Anonymous #5 7w

I have sympathy if someone ends up in an abusive relationship because 99% of the time there's no way they could have known that was going to happen going into it. If someone got into a relationship with Ted Bundy and it turned out to be abusive, I would be much less sympathetic. A single google search for Scientology would bring up hundreds of articles about it being an abusive scam. They could have done that and didn't.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Like 4 said cults prey on insecurities and vulnerable people. Your approach of not showing sympathy or empathy is what keeps people in cults, because they feel like nobody cares about them and nobody will help them when they need it

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Anonymous #5 7w

no. they said they're confused why anybody would hold it against them; accountability. you're reaching

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Anonymous #5 7w

nothing about the *single word* comment of "accountability" i said would even possibly imply that they couldn't be victims. don't be ridiculous

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Anonymous #4 7w

also victim status is irrelevant. we hold it against child abusers regardless of if they were abused as children. it doesn't change anything - only possibly adds to the explanation

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Anonymous #2 7w

Somebodies tilted for being called out. They even brought out the pictures

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Anonymous #5 7w

I'm also sympathetic to people in other cults because if it's not well known, there's no way you could have done your research. But Scientology is completely and entirely famous for being an abusive scam.

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Anonymous #1 7w

And again this is why you are part of the problem and not the solution. You don’t listen, all you do and have done is try to excuse your shitty mentality

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Anonymous #1 7w

Let me try to break it down. People who are “fully formed adults” tend to have clouded judgement when they’re in bad situations. “someone from Scientology was nice to me. Church can be that bad.” Then they join and by the time things get bad it’s too late, they engrained and getting out is hard

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Anonymous #5 7w

I mean yeah, you got me, I'm not at all sympathetic to someone who would start giving thousands of dollars to an organization without googling it

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Anonymous #5 6w

you're just wrong. pictures and explanations of why that is don't make me "tilted"

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Anonymous #5 6w

do you not hold it against child abusers who were abused as children too or?

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Anonymous #2 6w

This comparison doesn’t work. A child abuser is actively abusing a child with awareness that what they are doing is harmful. If someone’s a member of Scientology is does not mean they are aware that the church hurts others. You are highly defensive for someone who isn’t just a lil pissy

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Anonymous #5 6w

"a child abused is actively abusing a child with awareness that what they are doing is harmful" source? how many child abusers believe they're simply disciplining their kid? or are in some way mentally ill and genuinely don't understand it? since you clearly know

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Anonymous #5 6w

your juvenile insults and projection about defensiveness are silly. you don't have anything of substance to say

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Anonymous #5 6w

oh and while you're pulling up that source..... which i will wait for... you can also tell me how many parents who involve their kids in scientology are abusing their kids

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Anonymous #5 6w

Sure but at some point if you still stick with it thats on you. Im not talking about ppl who are being forced to against their own will. But if you stick with it then its on you and its fair game to criticize

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Anonymous #2 6w

Oh yeah, you are definitely angey.

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Anonymous #5 6w

Also what fucking source am I supposed to pull? If an abuser if beating a kid they know it’s hurting the child lmao. How about after you take a nap you tell me what sources you are pulling from? After all I was not aware we were supposed to be gathering sources for a discussion in the yikyak comments. I’ll wait

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Anonymous #2 6w

While we are at it, what’s your source for why the comparison you made is valid? After all you made no comment to defend that, you just started asking me 20 questions in a weak attempt to invalidate what I’m saying when you know know with this discussion no matter what facts I manage pull out of the ether you will huff and moan and not believe a word I say.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Idk, the church heavily restricts knowledge that their members have access to. They’re not even allowed to partake in some medical treatments. While I was never a member of this particular cult I was almost indoctrinated into another as a teenager so I tend to have a bit more sympathy when it comes to these topics

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Anonymous #5 6w

Thats fair I feel like cults are a different thing entirely obviously to religion. But at this point known scientologist celebs like tom cruise have become higher ups and willingly remain part of that org. I just dont think ppl should automatically get a free pass cause its their religion. I feel like its fair to question or criticize them for their beliefs. But it depends

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Anonymous #5 6w

tons of people believe that hitting a kid is simply good discipline. are you so delusional that you think every parent spanking their kid thinks they're abusive?

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Anonymous #5 6w

don't deflect. you made an outstanding claim that parents are knowingly abusive, when in reality there are major differences in what people consider abusive (many still don't believe spanking or "popping" a kid is child abuse). provide a source. because i know this isn't true based on how many people still hit their kids and think it's totally normal discipline

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Anonymous #5 6w

i never made a claim. i don't have to provide a source for anything because there's nothing to prove. you did though. like i said i'll wait

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Anonymous #5 6w

"where's the source for why the comparison you made is valid" oh okay so you actually don't know what the burden of proof is or how basic argumentation works. i don't need to "prove" a comparison - it's a comparison. you can argue that it's a poor one but that falls on you

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Anonymous #5 6w

you made a *claim* (a rather bold one) that parents are knowingly abusive. you need to provide a source; because we (including your dishonest ass) all know for a fact that a ton of people who hit their kids think it's discipline, not abuse, to smack or spank or belittle a child

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Anonymous #5 6w

claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence [Hitchens's razor]

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Anonymous #2 6w

I’m going to reply to these one by one. Yes spanking your kid is abusive. Studies show it makes kids more aggressive. Source: literally any phycologist

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Anonymous #2 6w

You still have provided no source for anything you said. Show me yours and I’ll show you mine

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Anonymous #2 6w

You claim that comparing child abusers to cult members is a fair comparison. Why? Do you have any proof that these are comparable in anyway?

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Anonymous #2 6w

I should have to prove common sense, read any phycology paper on abusers. While it varies it’s stated that there are abusers that do realize what they are doing is harmful

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Anonymous #2 6w

And lastly, must not have been a good nap. You still sound like a piss baby

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Anonymous #5 6w

But since you are so on about what should be common knowledge. Here https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/invisible-bruises/202210/do-abusers-understand-their-behavior-is-wrong/amp As stated here while, again, it varies, many do know what they are doing is wrong and harmful. Now go eat a snickers

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Anonymous #5 6w

Even disregarding this article if you hit a kid and it leaves a handprint and the child is crying it’s pretty obvious you action caused harm and was harmful. This is common sense

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Anonymous #5 6w

you gotta be trolling 1) *you* are claiming that parents are knowingly being abusive. spanking and slapping are abusive, but that doesn't mean parents believe it is. provide your source for how many parents think that what they're doing is abusive 2) you made the claim without evidence. claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. i do not need a source - you never proved your claim in the first place 3) by involving one's children in a cult they are necessarily abusing them

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Anonymous #5 6w

um... your article says exactly what i've been saying lmao. i bet people just read the link 😂

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Anonymous #5 6w

this "article" is a blog post, not a source or evidence. try again

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Anonymous #2 6w

Show me your scholarly articles and I’ll put effort into defending what should be common sense, also the second point justifies what I said

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Anonymous #5 6w

stanley milgram’s 1950s experiments on control

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Anonymous OP 6w

Wanna expand on that?

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Anonymous #5 6w

not rlly tbh im tired of typing

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Anonymous OP 6w

You know what, valid lmao

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Anonymous #5 6w

if u wanna look it up pls do if not i really dont gaf anymore

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Anonymous OP 6w

I did, I remember learning about this in phycology, and I can see where ur drawing the connection. I’ll be sure to bring it up when and if 2 gets back with they’re evidence

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Anonymous #5 6w

*their

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Anonymous #5 6w

you made the claim. you need to provide the evidence

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Anonymous #5 6w

it's common sense to say there are parents who think there's nothing harmful or wrong with spanking, slapping or belittling kids as "discipline". everybody knows these parents exist you claim these parents necessarily know they're harming kids - so prove it. should be easy since you're so confident

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Anonymous #5 6w

even the article *you* sent agreed with what i'm saying

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Anonymous #5 6w

if you had evidence you would've provided it by now to shut me up with how arrogant you are. you tried... but failed to actually read what you sent. probably skimmed. i'll wait

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Anonymous #2 6w

I’m going to take a page from OP’s comment and just say Stanley Milgrams 1950’s experiment on control. Google is free and I don’t feel like typing up an explanation to someone who can’t provide me any sources yet also talks like they’re a triggered middle schooler playing Fortnite

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Anonymous #5 6w

you keep insulting me and not providing any sources for your claim. you lead with a claim that has no proof because its total nonsense and keep deflecting. it's very much "triggered middle schooler"

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Anonymous #5 6w

bye i guess. done waiting

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Anonymous #2 6w

Y’all have completely lost the plot. What does holding it against child abusers have to do with people falling into Scientology? Those are two completely different things

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Anonymous #2 6w

Maybe don’t bring up Hitchen’s Razor and burden of proof. Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, and all that.

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Anonymous #6 6w

i didn't make the claim that started this argument honey

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Anonymous #6 6w

doesn't matter anyway. we're done. they failed repeatedly to provide anything to back their claim and opted instead to repeatedly insult me and deflect it's **obviously** false that parents who abuse necessarily believe what they're doing is harmful. so many parents believe what they're doing is not only not harmful, but actively beneficial to the kid. especially when it comes to emotional and psychological abuse, but even physical abuse

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Anonymous #6 6w

if you genuinely think that every parent who verbally abuses their kid when they do poorly in school or mess up in sports believes that they're being abusive you're genuinely either delusional or have lived in a tiny bubble your entire life

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Anonymous #2 6w

You were the first, and only one to make this comparison. Would it not be your burden to prove it’s relevancy to the topic?

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Anonymous #4 6w

first claim made by nobody was #5 a comparison is not a claim. comparisons don't need to be "proven" with evidence. they are comparisons. you can say "that's a poor comparison" and elaborate, but you can't "prove" a comparison; you simply argue for how comparable it is/not

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Anonymous #4 6w

i'd remind you that what started this is me saying that we hold it "against" them because that's accountability. i then made the point that we hold it against abusers regardless of if they were/are victims #5 then got their panties in a twist because they think that every parent who is abusive believes what they're doing is abusive, but apparently if people don't know what they're doing is abusive we shouldn't hold it against them, which they seem to think is true of scientologists

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Anonymous #2 6w

Holy misrepresentation Batman!

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Anonymous #6 6w

nope

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Anonymous #2 6w

Still doing this…and on a Friday night

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Anonymous #5 6w

my fridays aren't on fridays and ditto sweetheart

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Anonymous #5 6w

like you can keep yapping but you've said nothing of substance and provided zero evidence for a nonsensical claim that you made because i said we hold abusers accountable regardless of if they are/were themselves victims, which any decent and sane person agrees with

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Anonymous #5 6w

like whether or not parents who berate kids with poor grades thinks that's abuse (many would laugh at you for suggesting that) is totally irrelevant to my point which is that being a victim or unwitting to your contributions to abuse/abusive organizations doesn't excuse you from being held accountable

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Anonymous #2 6w

Pot calling the kettle black. You say no sane person agrees with anything I’ve said but the comments say otherwise. Also please never reproduce, your approach to parenting would mess up any child

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Anonymous #5 6w

"your approach to parenting" would be what exactly?

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Anonymous #5 6w

"comments say otherwise" yeah multiple idiots exist in the world, dodo 😭 the fact that that's what you point to after your weak failure to deflect from your own inability to prove that parents who do abusive things all believe they're abusive says everything i need to know this wasn't a disagreement to you, it was a popularity content, further supported by your constant, incessant, middle-school-tier insulting

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Anonymous #5 6w

nobody in their right mind thinks that all the tiger parents believe they're abusive. nobody in their right mind thinks that every parents who calls their kids idiots when they fail tests believe that's abusive. this is obvious and nothing about a couple of troglodytes upvoting your bad faith ad hominems changes that

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Anonymous #5 6w

the reality is you never had a point we should obviously hold abusers accountable, regardless of if they believe or know they're abusive. right? RIGHT?! ok and we should obviously hold abusers accountable regardless of if they were victims, right? RIGHT?! ok unless you disagree with these statements, you agree with me and all of this nasty attitude you have is because you're emotionally immature and intellectually challenged

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Anonymous #5 6w

Been following this post for a few days and I gotta say I don't understand what you're trying to argue for #5 You're claiming claiming every parent who calls their kid stupid or idiots or dumb believes they're being abusive... which is obviously wrong... but let's say #2 changes their mind and says "they do all believe it"... then what? Are you arguing that only people who know they're being abusive should be held accountable?

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Anonymous #5 6w

Also the personal attacks are lame as hell. #2 has been trying to have a disagreement and all you've done is insult them repeatedly. I don't want to start arguing with you but that's shameful and pathetic. I could understand if you actually made a solid argument first but you didn't. You made an unfounded claim and started slinging insults when challenged. Makes you seem angry and emotional

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Anonymous #7 6w

Originally I was trying to say comparing members of Scientology to child abusers is an unfair comparison and then everything spiraled into an argument regarding child abuse and if those doing it are aware? Tbh I think 2 was just bored. Tbh I was too but this kept me entertained during my work shifts lol

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Anonymous #2 6w

My approach would be don’t hit kids…it’s not that deep. They’re humans and deserve to be treated as such

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Anonymous #2 6w

Stay mad I guess

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Anonymous #7 6w

Also they came into this with an aggressive attitude. I think me saying they’re acting pissy is triggered is less of a dickish thing then them referring to me as “lntellectuly challenged”

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Anonymous #5 6w

girl... you said my approach to parenting would be bad so i asked you what you think my approach would be given that i've provided zero insight into how i'd parent and have made very clear that i think physical discipline and demeaning language are abusive and wrong... now you're like "well uh i wouldn't hit kids" lmfao nobody asked you what YOUR approach is dodo bird head ass 😂

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Anonymous #2 6w

Jesus Christ stfu. Immature 4chan motherfucker demanding proof that hitting kids is obviously bad in a thread about cults. Fuck all the way off

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Anonymous #5 6w

I mean... You just admitted it. You were bored so you started a pointless argument by accusing them of implying something they didn't and then going off on a tangent. Idk why you feel so compelled to place the blame on them when you're basically saying you were the problem. There's nothing aggressive about them saying "accounrability" or the silly buzzer meme they sent

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Anonymous #6 6w

that's not what i'm asking for proof for, caveman brain

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Anonymous #6 6w

i'm asking for proof that abusive parents all believe they're abusive, since #5 claimed they are knowingly abusive. this is obviously untrue - plenty of abusive parents think nothing of the sort or even the exact opposite

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Anonymous #6 6w

it's okay, i know basic comprehension is none of your strong suits, so you're welcome to go reread and come to the correct interpretation at your own (snail) pace

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Anonymous #6 6w

Nobody said hitting kids wasn't bad. You're tweaking

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Anonymous #2 6w

So this is the exchange, for reference, and like… yes. Hitting kids is obviously, irrefutably, innately abusive. No matter what excuses might be concocted.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Covering my bases

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Anonymous #6 6w

Or trolling... Honestly I hope that's the case

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Anonymous #7 6w

That’s not what I said either. You can’t read

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Anonymous #2 6w

You literally asked what my approach was

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Anonymous #6 6w

You literally just provided evidence counter to your claim 😂 They never said nor implied that hitting kids isn't abusive. #5 said abusers are knowingly being abusive and #2 said that plenty of abusive parents don't believe they're abusive. Jesus Christ

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Anonymous #7 6w

I think 7 and 2 are friends irl

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Anonymous #7 6w

YES. THATS STUPID. IF YOURE HITTING CHILDREN. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY ABUSING THEM.

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Anonymous #5 6w

Or alts, for sure one of the two

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Anonymous #5 6w

i literally didn't. you said my approach would be bad, so i QUOTED you and asked YOU what you think MY approach would be, ding dong

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Anonymous #6 6w

You're a bot fs

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Anonymous #2 6w

Okay, it’s still wrong to hit kids

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Anonymous #6 6w

Verbally abusive parents frequently do not believe they're abusing kids... and guess what... verbal abuse doesn't involve hitting anybody...

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Anonymous #5 6w

yep... we all agree... hitting kids is wrong... idk how your dvmb ass got that confused

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Anonymous #2 6w

Could ask you the same thing

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Anonymous #6 6w

Also plenty of physically abusive parents do not believe they're abusive either. I can understand why you don't understand that because it seems very obvious to decent people but not everybody has that view. Lots of parents wrongly think spanking "builds character" or is "tough love". If you asked my great great grandparents they'd tell you you were a bad parent for not spanking your kids

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Anonymous #5 6w

i was never confused darling. i've been very certain of exactly how this convo is been going the entire time. you've repeatedly misunderstood, misinterpreted and outright failed to comprehend the basic elements of this discussion 😂 you can't understand yourself being quoted; you think, despite me describing it as physical abuse, that i don't think hitting kids is abusive because i asked you to prove that all parents who abuse believe they're abusing; etc

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Anonymous #7 6w

I provided evidence as to why spanking aka hitting your children is bad and both of you ignored it and even pointed to a study that shows how abusers on some level know what they are doing is wrong and you both ignored it. Ik this is your alt but if your going to pretend to be a seierate person who jumped in at least make it convincing

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Anonymous #5 6w

you've demonstrated comparable intellectual capacity to a hangry toddler. shit is pathetic

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Anonymous #5 6w

you sent me a link to a blog post that agreed with me sweetheart. i didn't ignore it - i told you that your "evidence" was supporting my argument and then YOU ignored that 😂

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Anonymous #5 6w

girl i could say the same about #6. stfu

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Anonymous #2 6w

Stanley milgrams 1950’s experiment on control

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Anonymous #2 6w

No

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Anonymous #2 6w

Okay imma block you and 7 because fuck alllllllll of these 4chan alt-right rhetorical strategies. Being abusive to children is bad. It is also VERY EASY TO RECOGNIZE

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Anonymous #5 6w

i was right. this is a popularity contest to you. you were all cocky when you were getting upvotes but the moment other people jumped in and started downvoting you went on the backfoot and showed your ass. now you're desperately trying to create this narrative about an alt because you can't fathom multiple people disagreeing with you. shameful behavior

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Anonymous #2 6w

Uh-huh, right, keep telling yourself that buddy

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Anonymous #5 6w

Anyways I’m actually gonna take a note from 6 and block you and your alt just to piss you off. Have fun being miserable

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Anonymous #5 6w

The Stanley Milgrams experiment measures peoples willingness to obey orders that conflict with their personal consciousness. This has nothing to do with whether or not parents who call their kids stupid know they're being abusive. What the actual hell are you on about?

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Anonymous #2 6w

#5 and #6 blocked me one after the other.... And #6 would only chime in when #5 was silent for a while. I think that's one person on an alt lmfao. Ironic

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Anonymous #7 6w

that would also explain them accusing me and you. classic projection

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