Anonymous #2 11w

“Your right but in my made up scenario that never happened you reacted in a bad way I don’t like so ur the problem”

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Anonymous #2 11w

christ yeah women sometimes have that same reaction but WHY do they have that same reaction? the reasons op outlined. is patriarchy directly perpetuated by every joe dick and harry? no its the media and people in power. but men are still complicit.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Dude YOU’RE the one making the assumption it’s EXCLUSIVELY men who are perpetuating this when my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE (not a made up scenario) says otherwise. You’re literally doing the thing. 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous #3 11w

PEOPLE are complicit by action and behavior alone, behavior that is perpetuated by both men AND women. How is this so hard to get?

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Anonymous #2 11w

THEN WHY DID YOU SAY IM RIGHT. I am saying that a lot of things people call misandry is just repackaged mysogony. If women do it it’s internalised mysogony.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Even when women make light of men’s mental health, it’s largely because admitting mental issues is still seen as weak and feminine to them- still misogyny. We are all victims of the patriarchy, and as men, I and others must take it upon ourselves to dismantle our prejudices so that we do not continue to perpetuate the system

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Anonymous OP 11w

You’re right SPECIFICALLY THAT A LOT OF “MISANDRY” IS REPACKAGED MISOGYNY. You are NOT right that ONLY men perpetuate this repackaged misogyny. Please read my comment.

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Anonymous #4 11w

Yes, patriarchy hurts everyone and anyone can and does perpetuate it!! This is literally my whole point!! This is exactly what I’m trying to say and I’m being met with “yeah but it doesn’t matter when women do it, or actually maybe only men do it”

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Anonymous #2 11w

Literally no one said that. I’m saying that other men will make fun of men for being weak and that leads back to misogynistic ways of thinking. Sorry for not always talking about everyone all the time, this time I’m focusing on how men under the patriarchy harm other men. Sorry you don’t think that’s important enough to focus on and we always have to talk about how women bad too

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Anonymous OP 11w

Oh. My god. Let me walk you through exactly how I experienced this interaction. I started with lived personal experience of how both women and men perpetuate harm against men that stems from patriarchy. Your post mentioned that harm against men (such as ignoring mental health issues) stems from patriarchy, and I was like “hell yeah!” And then your post went on to say that it comes from men perpetuating it against other men, and implied that women perpetuating the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR either—

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Anonymous OP 11w

—don’t exist or are irrelevant in the conversation. I think that it IS relevant in the conversation. So I brought it up. Does this help you understand?

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They took a statement that applies to everyone and then applied it exclusively to other men. The original claim can be boiled down to “here’s a broad pattern of harmful behavior.” The post says “men do this,” completely ignoring HALF OF THE CONVERSATION. This implies that either ONLY men do this, or that women doing it isn’t enough of a problem to warrant talking about in a conversation about behavior that is NOT gender specific.

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HOW ARE YOU NOT READING WHAT I’M SAYING

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Anonymous #2 11w

I do not mention women once in this post other than saying how misogynistic men see women. I am talking about how men treat other men. You can keep being stupid in my comments, I have to go to my job

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Anonymous OP 11w

YES. CORRECT. THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT MENTION WOMEN IS EXACTLY MY POINT. YOU ARE NOT READING WHAT I’M SAYING.

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Anonymous OP 11w

Me when I take people’s words at face value and try to genuinely engage with them

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Anonymous #2 11w

Well I’m not talking about women. We all know women are victims of the patriarchy. I’m talking about how the patriarchy hurts men. Wich you seem to not really care about, as you need women mentioned in a convo about how patriarchy harms men

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Anonymous #2 11w

It’s also a percentages thing, my guy. Men do it a lot more often and a lot worse than women do it. You’re exacerbating the lesser issue because you believe it’s more important than it is. We absolutely should discuss women’s participation in the patriarchy but men’s contributions are by definition more impactful, so derailing a conversation about men to discuss women is actively unhelpful

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Anonymous #8 11w

If you actually did any research into the men’s mental health movement you’d find that it’s 1% incels who are the loudest (but the least listened to) and 99% men who just want to live in a society where they feel comfortable being sensitive or telling their friends they care about them. Which most men simply don’t. There can and needs to be a place for women in that in both supporting it and also facilitating it. But that becomes impossible when women reject it out of hand and reinforce it

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Anonymous #8 11w

A vast majority of the work needs to be done by men (and btw is being done by men) but this can’t be a “men need to toughen up and solve your own problems” the whole fucking point is that society has bred conditions where men are afraid (and rightly so) to ask for help

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Anonymous #8 11w

Did you even read my post. I’m saying that the reason men can’t be sensitive is because many men are stuck in such a misogynistic mindset that any sensitivity from other men is seen as weak. I’m saying that they should be able to be sensitive and have other men support them

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Anonymous OP 11w

I read your post my point is sitting it can be dangerous. The bad faith version of your argument (which I’m not saying you’re making but I hear a lot) is that this is a non-problem that men need to solve themselves and separates all of soceities (including womens) large role in it which just isn’t practical because that’s not how any societal problem is solved

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Anonymous OP 11w

If I’ve misinterpreted the sentiments of your post I’m sorry, I’m not trying to flame you I’m just trying to make a disclaimer and a little add on. I’m not trying to to implicate women or see that women either as individuals or a collective are causing this but it needs to be understand that this is an everyone problem not just a men figure it out and tell us when you’re done

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Anonymous OP 11w

I will also add that this is something I’ve thought a lot about and I care about to the extent that I’m not sure if I want to continue calling myself a man in the way that our society understands a lot of exploring my own gender identity and feeling like as a man I don’t have that option goes into this

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Anonymous #8 11w

Idk why you’re getting downvoted like crazy. Some things you could have worded better, but you have a point

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Anonymous #2 11w

Yeah women can have internalized misogyny and harm men and women in the process, I don’t think this post is reducing it at all

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Anonymous #9 11w

Just because someone is explaining an example doesn’t mean that other scenarios are invalid in any way

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Anonymous #2 11w

you’re lowk right but that wasn’t the point of this post and you’re making your argument in the most annoying way possible

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