Anonymous #2 4w

Because as much as I 100% get the sentiment here, I'm a trans man. And I experience oppression because I'm a man. My gender is tied to my transness. My oppression directly comes from my identity as a man when I am expected to be a woman. A big facet of discrimination against trans men comes from being erased from people's minds and statistics. Please don’t be part of that 🙏

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Anonymous #2 4w

You know damn right trans men aren’t who their talking about. It’s a given that any trans/queer person will deal with pushback. They’re talking about cis-men

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Anonymous #3 4w

I don’t know that trans men aren’t who they're talking about. Trans men are men and they were talking about men, and we are in a space where people probably should be doing that when discussing oppression. I have also had people tell me directly and to my face that because I'm a man I don’t experience oppression and 100% have male privilege. I’m not going to participate in my own erasure by constantly forgiving people for not acknowledging my existence.

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Anonymous #2 4w

*"doing that" meaning clarifying if they mean cis men. I should have the basic expectation of being thought about met in a supposedly trans-inclusive community. Idk why you're so riled up about that. I was pretty polite to OP considering this is at least the 100th time I've seen something on here that conflates being a man with being cis.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I see I caught some transphobes in my net. Y'all are so fragile.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Let me make this clear to you. The world is the way it is because men are ruling. We wouldn’t have these problems if it weren’t for men. Yet here they are with the fucking power and fucking up the world. Sweetheart this has less to do with your gender identity than you can understand. Stop defending the same men who are also the reason why you are being oppressed. We all know they’re sh*t.

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I’m still a man. And #3, calling a trans guy "sweetheart" is incredible. Stfu

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Anonymous #3 4w

Oh? Do I have the fucking power in the world because I’m a man? Am I a problem because I'm a man? Nope! My literal point is that You All are saying "it’s men that are bad and hold the power!" When That Is Cis Men. I do not hold systemic power as a man, because I am trans. I am in no way "defending men" I am defending my right to exist and be thought about.

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Anonymous #3 4w

I don’t know how to make it clear to you, *sweetheart,* that I am not fucking up the world by transitioning. Trans men are not the fucking problem. The patriarchy, and the CIS MEN (and women, and frankly most people in power regardless of gender) who uphold it are the problem. The statement that all men are not oppressed on the basis of gender doesn’t work for trans people, and it conflates being a man with being an oppressor (like you're doing!). Transphobic. Do some work on yourself.

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If I weren't a man, I would not be trans. Do you understand that? Transphobes hate trans people. Which includes trans men. And trans men are men, so transphobes do indeed hate men. They hate trans ones. I think you're all just too used to not thinking of trans men as men when you generalize about men.

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Anonymous #2 4w

That’s really interesting. Would you say that someone who hates republicans hates men, because some republicans are men?

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Anonymous #2 4w

Believe what you want about yourself. You’re certainly a man, and will do a lot to defend other men. I think your right you are a part of the problem to. Men and I mean all men get this privilege that I do not get to taste. I will never forgive it and you being trans or being oppressed for it isn’t going to change my dislike of men. I will stop hating men when I can walk about at night and not worry about my safety. Till then f*ck all men cisgender, transgender, I don’t give a sh*t.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Well that’s not chill. You can be against the patriarchy without personally disliking 4 billion human beings for their gender identity.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Yes and? Why should I listen to a man’s words on this? You came here uninvited and made this women’s issue about yourself. I am sick and tired of everyone especially those like you protecting the patriarchy by claiming that our judgments are unfair. Did you think I was going to break down and apologize for it? Why should I? I have yet to have a man apologize to me for underestimating, disrespect and ignoring me.

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Anonymous #3 4w

I am sorry that you have been underestimated, disrespected, and ignored, and I’m sorry that you haven’t been apologized to before. I do not see having a single man you do not hate as “breaking down,” and thus did not expect you to break down. You don’t know my gender identity, and frankly it doesn’t matter because what I am saying is true. There is no “and,” what you believe is regressive and wrong. You are maintaining the patriarchy while the rest of us are trying to dismantle it.

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