Anonymous #1 3w

I believe that anyone who has the desire to be on hrt should have access to medically transition while still believing their should be a distinction between transsexuals and transgenders

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Anonymous OP 3w

The crux of the argument here is “people who don’t medically transition are cringe and make the trans community look bad and sexual!” and basically saying transphobia wouldn’t exist or would be lessened if it wasn’t for “those people” that “don’t medically transition.” It very much implies that trans people who don’t transition medically are somehow lesser than people who do. I have transitioned/am currently transitioning medically.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Genuine question here. I agree that it can be frustrating to see ppl who are 100% comfortable in their AGAB lead conversations about trans rights/struggles. If you aren’t a fan of transmedicalism (which is totally fine, ive seen a lot of transmeds who can be really hateful), then how do you propose we strike that balance?

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Anonymous #3 3w

also the post itself sucks I’m earnestly sick to death of seeing people frame “you can be trans without medically transitioning” as some kind of insidious anti-transition psyop or Pressure against transitioning when it’s just a fact. I have trouble believing people aren’t playing willfully obtuse when they claim to not understand why anyone else would need the reminder / affirmation

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Anonymous #1 3w

if someone self-describes as trans without any intent to pursue transition (not even gonna touch the “presenting as their AGAB” part, that’s a glaring oversimplification) then obviously they do experience some amount of gender euphoria from being the gender they identify as otherwise they would not be motivated to self-describe as trans. you’re crafting a strawman over there

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Anonymous #2 3w

if they self-describe as trans then they obviously are not in fact “100% comfortable in their AGAB”. and in what world do non-transitioning trans people “lead the conversation” re: transness? some of y’all have clearly lost the plot, this is nonsensical

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Anonymous #3 3w

Downvoted cause you’re spitting facts. This whole argument feels like another case of people who are too terminally online trying to make issues about “the discourse”. What about genderfluid people? What about agender people? What about people who are certainly trans but not in a way that they need to change their appearance? In trying to be “inclusive” y’all are excluding many real, atypical, gender experiences (not directed at you #3)

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Anonymous #2 3w

The answer to this is realizing that transmeds’ logic of “it’s cringe people” (that they will imply aren’t actually trans in some way) are the reason for transphobia is wrong. Its transphobes that are the reason for transphobia. I think HRT should be easy to access for those who want it and that those who are on HRT like myself should be leading the conversation. All transmedicalism does is give (cis) doctors a huge amount of leverage over trans peoples’ lives, which has historically been bad

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Anonymous #1 3w

again, non-transitioning people Aren’t leading these conversations to begin with. they aren’t afforded enough legitimacy in their transness by most peers to even be capable of amassing that type of power in our communities—you already got your way. god forbid some of us posit that folks who don’t medically transition be offered a semblance of even-footing with the rest of us

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Anonymous #4 3w

wait til the other people in this thread learn that I’m bigender and voluntarily fluid with my presentation *while* several years into medical transition 🫨

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Anonymous #3 3w

Non-transitioning people are absolutely dominating the conversation in the online conversations I’m seeing (ie. afabs who are trans but still choose to be hyperfeminine) but we may be in different bubbles then.

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Anonymous #1 3w

very much sounds like you’re overestimating how much space is taken up by non-transitioning people in our communities in general, online or not, but either way—reminder: you have the power to choose what “bubble” you spend your time in

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Anonymous #3 3w

My bf is ftm and for all intents and purposes, 100% interested in just being a regular dude. He’s on T injections and *literally has trouble finding queer content online that’s FTM-oriented* in a way that is relatable to him because so much of it is from quirky afabs. Not even trans guys who are unlucky, people that literally just want to be seen as women and are either anti-T or afraid of some of/all of its effects. Yet they still call themselves trans. This is unbelievably frustrating for him

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Anonymous #1 3w

And honestly its kind of driving him to truscum/transmed communities because of it. But he knows they’re transphobic and shitty so he doesn’t. But he’s ex-transmed for this reason. Similarly I have trouble finding content for binary trans women like myself that aren’t ppl who have full beards and sound like 30 year old men when they talk and aren’t trying to be feminine

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Anonymous #1 3w

additional reminder: the “assigned” in AFAB is past tense. “AFAB” and “AMAB” aren’t nouns. by using them that way, you reduce people to their assignments-at-birth while needlessly lumping them in categorically with cis people who share said assignment. which is awfully antithetical to an ethos of taking transness seriously

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Anonymous #3 3w

You raise a fair point. I’ve actually heard of “presumed ___ at birth” instead of assigned and I like that more. My favorite trans author and scientist, Doc Impossible (the one behind the Stained Glass Woman web blog) also doesn’t like afab/amab, and people have (rightfully) pointed out that amab and afab can be used as “woke misgendering.” It’s also awfully exclusive of intersex people who are often left out of the conversation entirely.

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Anonymous #1 3w

oh you are SO obviously basing your community-wide judgments on your experiences with extremely niche online subcommunities if you think trans women with full beards hold any type of sway over public conversations, holy shit. the “sounding like 30 year old men” comment very loudly announces that you’re stuck operating off some damningly regressive ideas wrt how you view your peers. I don’t think I can be the one to fix that for you over an anonymous app, but please, seriously, work on that shit

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Anonymous #1 3w

trans men don’t “want to be seen as women” no matter what they look like, btw. if they wanted to be seen as women then they would just be cis women and they wouldn’t self-describe as trans. again, utter strawman argument, you are very clearly misrepresenting these guys’ experiences based on what you think a man has to look like. much like how you misrepresented other trans women’s voices based on what you think women have to sound like

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Anonymous #1 3w

disturbing that I even have to say this to another trans person, but trans women aren’t obligated to “try to be feminine”. not only is femininity subjective at both the individual and cultural levels, womanhood also does not ever actually hinge on one’s intent to appeal to conventional femininity. full-stop. it’s like you think transfem butches are a scourge or that it’s your place to define the perimeters of another trans woman’s gender expression

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Anonymous #1 3w

the shit you’re saying about trans women pisses me off not because I have some kind of investment in “winning” an argument with an internet stranger but rather because women I know personally in real life are outright ostracized in cis AND trans spaces by the exact type of rhetoric you spew, and are severely harmed by the experience. and this includes women who ARE transitioning btw

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