likewise. kamala was not our savior. she supported the same systems that landed us in this mess. if you wanna kiss up to politicians that's fine, but they don't gaf about u.

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i'm not saying y'all are evil for voting for her. it's understandable why people made that decision. it's also understandable why people didn't, however. and you completely lack class consciousness if you're out here vilifying voters instead of the politicians and billionaires.

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it completely is, as she ultimately still supports genocide, and people didn't want to vote to enable that. also in impoverished areas trump swept because he promised to bring back manufacturing jobs (which is completely impossible) btw, but kamala didn't promise anything apart from another biden term.

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this gives the same energy as "if you voted for trump as a hispanic you should be deported". it's gross. we all suffer under this. nobody deserves it, but those who brought it down onto us: the bourgeoisie.

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blaming 3rd party voters from marginalized communities will get you nowhere.

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Anonymous ellie 5w

there’s a difference between kissing up to politicians and highlighting the risk of not voting. elections and voting aren’t based on some “perfect candidate”. there is no such thing as a perfect candidate in our political system but that doesn’t mean you don’t fucking vote. not voting as some sort of statement during a presidential election does absolutely NOTHING for you and the people you say you care about besides feed your own ego

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Anonymous #3 5w

y'all are literally ignoring the material conditions that led to her loss in favor of glazing her as the perfect candidate while blaming 3rd party voters for her loss. 💀

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i mean the sad fact of it is that people wouldn't be fighting it as hard if she was president. democratic voters are performative. they definitely wouldn't be fighting the deportations as hard. we saw that under Obama.

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politicians don't gaf about you. Harris lost. ignoring the circumstances behind that loss and blaming 3rd party voters instead of the DNC and Harris is simply purely ignorance.

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guess what. yes there would be less deportations under harris, but we would still see an EXTREMELY HIGH number of people being unethically deported.

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i'm not saying she wouldn't have been better. BLAMING 3rd party voters for her loss instead of her is the issue!!! once again you're ignoring the circumstances that led her to loss in favor of blaming indigents.

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Anonymous ellie 5w

dude i watched the presidential debates and i hated every statement she made but still voted for her. we all know a third party vote in a presidential election gets you no where and jill stein has been running for at least the last 3 elections for a cash grab. i don’t like kamala but i was also old enough during the last trump administration to know i didn’t want that shit to happen again

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Anonymous #3 5w

oh yeah completely agreed. i didn't vote stein. i voted harris. stein had a transphobic vp. i just think blaming 3rd party voters is braindead. it's understandable that people didn't want to vote for genocide.

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i mean you're also ignoring the fact that even with every 3rd party vote she still would've lost. she sacrificed her campaign to appease the DNC and win over a dwindling group of moderates

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THATS WHAT IM SAYING. THE VOTERS WERE NOT THE INGREDIENTS. the circumstances that led to those votes, however were.

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like y'all do realize you're just sitting here blaming poor ppl pretty much, right?

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who are primarily indigent.

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indigents

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poor people.

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not ingredients

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real af

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but the majority of those people are suffering here as well. you think people aren't out here dying because their own medicare was cut? you're ignoring the human aspect. these people are hurt too while the rich and billionaires profit off of them and their ignorance.

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but they're not the bulk of his voters

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they aren't the bulk of voters in general

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when you have people facing extreme atrophy for a system that leads to you losing nomatter what... is it any wonder we're seeing such high voter ambivalence?

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when you're going to suffer under capitalism nomatter what, and both main candidates support capitalism why not vote third party for a candidate who doesn't support genocide and the status quo? if you get enough votes that party gets federal funding

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yes. but people would rather take something than nothing. if he even had a chance of bringing back manufacturing jobs people would have voted for him. especially when the opposition promised nothing, and they've been historically burned by the democrats promising everything and giving nothing.

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and it was especially murky, as republicans have muddied the water as to what's causing their poor circumstances. they specifically target the disadvantaged. instead of blaming capitalism, these people have been trained to view progressive policy as the enemy.

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supporting the current system and voting for harris isn't dismantling. it's telling the democrats that they can win the election by just being a little less nazi than the other guy. expecting that system to be dismantled by using the tools provided by that system is unrealistic.

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Here’s the thing though, people in America are literally just racist. They saw black woman vs. racist white man and thought it was a dream. And then moderates got pulled in by the false promises, while Kamala made little to no actual campaign promises. With the ones she did make just appeasing to moderates rather than the actual democratic base.

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instrumentalist theory dictates that the system will always protect itself, and any tools of that system are there to protect that system. in other words, the flaws aren't a bug, they're a feature

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Anonymous #4 5w

i mean yeah. a lot of them are just racist as well. unfortunately

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okay then the democrats get 4 more years of nothing and we end up exactly here 4 years down the line. and the cycle repeats

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Or tell the dems to actually appeal to the left…

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Anonymous #4 5w

this'll unfortunately never happen tho

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dem socs literally do nothing in government apart from sacrificing their morality to the capitalist gods.

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you can only bandaid a broken system so many times. it was designed to fuck us over in favor of the rich, and that's exactly what it's doing

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and revolution is significantly harder when people are settling with the democrats rather than fighting for actual change.

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so we start by learning theory! only a portion of the russian population were bolsheviks, but they successfully drove a revolution! ;)

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Arguably it’s easier to gather support for revolution when there’s a harsh dictator in power

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I never said it was a good thing, I voted for Kamala. But we have to work under the circumstances we live in twin.

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Anonymous #4 5w

well put

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Anonymous ellie 5w

They're more mad at the voters than the Dems literally spent 4 years on their ass not building another party then getting spooked when election time comes up

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Anonymous ellie 5w

honestly my issue is that during election seasons the left (and i’m a leftist) was trying to convince people to not vote or vote third party meanwhile the right was pushing more people to vote than ever really have in the past 20 years.

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Anonymous #3 5w

and i feel like leftists and marxists fantasize about the idea of revolution but never actually take any steps to follow through. it’s always “when the revolution happens” but never “lets do something about this now”. plus the fact that a revolution today would be like 10x harder due the the fact that we are constantly in a surveillance state due to the internet.

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Anonymous #3 5w

i mean certain circumstances need to happen for an american revolution to happen. right now we're primarily focused on guiding people towards and teaching theory so that we can have a good foundation of cadre.

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Anonymous #3 5w

that doesn't mean we drop everything though. praxis is super important, and we ultimately show up to support movements in favor of liberation. we were at the 50501 no kings protests, pride, etc

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Anonymous #3 5w

Genocider

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Anonymous #6 5w

thanks for that “meaningful” addition to the conversation dude

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