in a figurative sense, i’d say incels aren’t real men, and zionists aren’t real jews. they exploit religion to oppress and hate others. that’s my own view on the matter; same as the way i don’t view jihads as real muslims or khalistanis as real sikhs. people who preach hatred will never be aligned with god as they claim to be

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the difference here is that i’m discussing religion specifically, where certain individuals’ beliefs and actions are directly antithetical to the religion they claim to be a part of. ethnicity or nationality isn’t something that changes based on your personal beliefs or practices, but religion is.

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i’d argue the way you identify is a belief in and of itself. i believe i am a woman, therefore i am. the two aren’t mutually exclusive. i understand what you’re trying to say, but for example, if X religion says that its members must practice honesty and someone who claims to be part of that religion is a habitual liar, are they a true member of that religion?

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