Anonymous OP 17h

i have since then been able to properly process that and realize that i too may relate or connect with the identity of a transmasc/trans man lesbian, esp connecting with the identity of a femme. people change, people have their own gender and sexuality experiences, and at the end of the day it’s really none of my business what other people connect to.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Idc this would’ve been largely considered transphobic for a reason back in 2023

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Anonymous #2 16h

No it wouldn’t.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Please shut up.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Okay so I have a situation kinda like this. I’m a trans guy who dates lesbians, and for me it’s because my gender is so far from the binary concept of male. Im biased tho since I don’t really care about the strict labels, usually the point of labels is to simplify things, so it makes sense that the unsimplified version isn’t as cookie cutter as the label would suggest

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Anonymous #2 16h

The way I see it is that as long as both parties are chill with it, who are we to judge? Gender is soooo diverse so shouldn’t the experiences be?

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Anonymous #1 15h

It literally was

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Anonymous #3 15h

Trans men can experience their gender differently but at the end of the day if a lesbian woman is attracted to a trans man who’s genuinely a man and not just using the label man in a unique way then she either isn’t lesbian or doesn’t see him as a man.

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Anonymous #1 15h

And no I will not shut up this weird ass “sexuality and labels are fluid and women who only like other women can be attracted to a trans man in the same way” new bs is stupid. At the end of the day it’s just trying to hold onto that attraction and label at the same time even though they’re literally contradictory. I can understand why a trans man might identify as a lesbian too but by definition it is contradictory.

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Anonymous #1 15h

Identify how you want & do what you want but there are limits & contradictions that will never go away. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous #2 15h

WHY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO CARE HELP 😭💔

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Anonymous #2 15h

i feel like the queer public postings from the 80s and 90s would give you an aneurism

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Anonymous #2 15h

none of this stuff is new. trans people have always had a complex relationship to gender and sexuality that goes beyond cis sexuality

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Anonymous #2 15h

there is no such thing as limits and contradictions when it comes to gender or sexuality because it is your own identity and experience. imo no two people share the same exact identity because their experiences are different and dependent on their life

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Anonymous #2 15h

“Identify how you want, but not like that” Shut the fuck up. Read a book on lesbian history.

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Anonymous #1 15h

Not what I said. Shut the fuck up and look up the definition of lesbian how about that.

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Anonymous OP 14h

Yes there literally is words have meaning and yes they can change but at that point we’re just taking away the meaning.

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Anonymous #2 14h

Look at queer history, how about that 🙄

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Anonymous #2 14h

Labels are made up, dude (gender neutral). They’re inherently flexible and odd because they are an attempt to capture identity, which is flexible and odd.

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Anonymous #2 14h

“look at the definition of lesbian” while being actively wrong about the definition of lesbian (it’s always included gender diverse & nonbinary people)

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Anonymous #2 14h

this reminds me of the “basic biology” arguments where people reduce the extremely complex and nuanced way we experience our gender & sex into “it’s simple just look at the definition” as if you could ever boil down lesbianism into a single sentence lol

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Anonymous #5 14h

lesbianism or sex/gender*

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Anonymous #5 14h

So you’re telling me a gay man who’s only attracted to other men can be attracted to a trans woman? Like. That’s literally what we’re talking about. There have been times where I’ve found trans women attractive but that’s bc they didn’t pass to me so I keep it to myself and try my best to see them as a woman bc that’s what’s respectful.

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Anonymous #2 14h

It’s different if they’re JUST attractive to you because they don’t pass…

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Anonymous #1 14h

The point I’m making is that just saying lesbians can be attracted to trans men is going to come off as transphobic at worst and needs to acknowledge nuance at best. Yeah if we’re talking specifically about specific situations but overall if you as a lesbian see a trans man and are attracted to him you either aren’t seeing him as a man or you’re bi. It is as simple as that.

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Anonymous #2 14h

yes, they can. y’all bring this up as a “gotcha” point all the time cos you think it only applies to lesbians but it doesn’t. there are gay trans women and lesbian trans men. trans women have always been integrated into gay culture the same way trans men have always been integrated into lesbian culture. i stg just go to any trans event irl and you will meet both.

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Anonymous #2 14h

that’s a completely different scenario lmao? the actual counterpart would be a gay man dating a trans woman who identified as gay. which many people do lol. I have a feeling “non-binary man/woman” would blow your mind lol.

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Anonymous #2 14h

I fear that almost all trans guy lesbians fall into the “nuance” category

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Anonymous OP 14h

Right and those words literally contradict. You can identify as them absolutely but if I hear gay trans woman I’m gonna think of a lesbian not a straight trans woman who uses the label gay because she’s been using it for years and feels a connection to it and feels more comfortable with it and feels like she’s attracted to men in a gay way and not a straight cis woman way and and and and. Idc I’m not gonna agree with everything the let’s remove definitions from words brigade has to say.

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Anonymous #2 14h

do you think trans people who identify as such don’t realize that going in? tbh the only person that can tell you if that’s transphobic or not is a trans person, and from what i’ve gathered so far, you probably aren’t a trans person. if you really want to be an ally you should listen to trans people and not immediately make an assumption based on what you think makes a man or a woman.

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Anonymous #2 14h

ykw I’m not taking this seriously anymore since people irl actually enjoy the insane diversity of the queer experience instead of making up their mind about other people’s relationships lmao

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Anonymous #5 14h

yo literally i was about to say that cos i identify as a non-binary man 😂

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Anonymous #2 14h

language is descriptive not prescriptive final boss, holy shit

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Anonymous OP 14h

I’m an agender femboy so I get you completely 🔥

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Anonymous OP 14h

Love the assumption you’re jumping to for no reason

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Anonymous #5 14h

Love diversity, you can use labels how you want, words have meaning. Gay men are not quite literally queens it’s just a label some of them use. And lesbian trans men are not quite literally non women who are attracted to non women it’s just a label they use. So when people say lesbians aren’t attracted to trans men they’re being literal and y’all can’t handle it.

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Anonymous #2 14h

Like y’all do notttt want to listen and actually think this through. This was one of my homophobic awakenings that’s all I gotta say lmfao.

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Anonymous #2 14h

“Homophobic awakening” yeah fucking right. You’re a bigot, an idiot, an agitator, or some combination there of. Fuck the fuck off.

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Anonymous #1 14h

Yeah you can believe whatever you want y’all have already been making things up this whole time, refusing to believe you’re wrong. Stfu lmfao.

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Anonymous #2 14h

you’re acting like you’re thinking this through when you’re throwing out all nuance lol. labels that don’t make sense to you are SHOUTING that they’re nuanced, and you just see a contradiction. if it doesn’t make sense to you, then maybe stfu and listen instead of ranting about made-up homophobia. because YOU are perpetuating homophobia by trying to exclude people with nonstandard experiences. cishet bigot in queer clothing istg.

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Anonymous #2 14h

go to a pride event it’ll help you stop doing whatever ts is.

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Anonymous #2 14h

“Yall have already been making things up this whole time” ever heard of a glass house… you’re in one bucks

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Anonymous #1 14h

Like genuinely there’s only so much nuance before we have to say if you really have a solid attraction to a trans man’s gender as a binary man, because this conversion is just a generalizing conversation, then you are either not lesbian or you’re not seeing them as a man. Like at this point we’re just letting words expand until they’re fully inclusive when it makes no sense. I refuse to normalize transphobia by going along with it thx.

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Anonymous #2 14h

how was this a “homophobic awakening” and what exactly made you come to that conclusion? like did someone tell you it’s homophobic or transphobic or were they just talking about their own preferences when it came to their identity?

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Anonymous #2 14h

…have you ever thought that gender might not be the only thing involved in attraction? Like genuinely do you not know anything about attraction?

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Anonymous #2 14h

For anyone who thinks using a label changes it’s literal definition

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Anonymous #2 14h

Oh wow you posted a SpongeBob meme, us libs have been so owned

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Anonymous #1 13h

Bro.. do you..? We’re talking about sexuality… 😀

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Anonymous #2 13h

Yes… sexuality is about sexual attraction. That’s about more than just gender. Like are you dumb?

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Anonymous OP 13h

This is just a trend honestly like again the entire community disagreed with this for years. I honestly think we’ll accept that words do have limits and logic exists again in a few years at most.

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Anonymous #1 13h

Purchased for a penny, some lint, and a raspberry

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Anonymous #2 13h

dude trans men have always been a part of lesbian community and culture and trans women have always been a part of gay community and culture. there is literally documented history on this.

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Anonymous OP 13h

Not what I said at all y’all just put words in our mouths

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Anonymous #2 5h

I feel like you’re obsessed with labels and other people’s identities being legible to your and that misses the whole point of queerness

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