Anonymous #2 7w

It’s accepted that lesbians can date nonbinary people and that does not mean the nonbinary person is a woman. Oftentimes if a straight man dates a nonbinary person, it’s assumed that he sees them as a woman or woman lite. My question is why that is

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Anonymous OP 7w

Lesbians definitely see the person as a woman or woman like too…. This is just a classic example of how people invalidate lesbian sexuality. They like women with 🐱 period. Just like straight men. It’s no different

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Anonymous #2 7w

Girl.

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Anonymous OP 7w

What?..

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Anonymous #2 7w

You’re pissing me off. Thought you wanted a actual response but no you’re just on some transphobic bs

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Anonymous #2 7w

So no… because if that were true, all lesbians are definitionally transphobic…

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Anonymous OP 7w

Umm no. You’re obviously on some lesbophobic BS so just stop.

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Anonymous #1 7w

It is true and being a lesbian is not transphobic. WTF is wrong with you gross lesbophobes?!

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Anonymous #2 7w

You literally said that all lesbians who are attracted to enbies see enbies as women. That’s transphobic, I shouldn’t even have to say it. And making that statement is lesbophobic, because you’re reducing the beautiful diversity of lesbian experiences into a transphobic bullshit sentence. To paraphrase Shakespeare, “There are more (lesbian experiences), (#2), than are dreamt of in your philosophies”

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Anonymous #1 7w

Lesbians can’t help that they’re lesbians…. You’re saying all of these things that don’t add up just to try to invalidate lesbians. It’s gross.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Have you never met a lesbian with an enby partner? I promise they exist. You are the one trying to invalidate lesbians that don’t conform to your narrow idea of lesbianism. Relevant Doghaus

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Anonymous #1 7w

Also relevant 1995 Alison bechdel comic commissioned by Leslie Feinberg

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Anonymous OP 7w

Hell yes

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Anonymous #1 6w

“Narrow idea of lesbianism” you’re not even a lesbian…. I never thought saying “lesbians don’t like dick” would ever be a controversial statement. This has to stop. I don’t see you sitting here saying straight men with enby partners aren’t straight and they can like dick and still be straight…. It’s time to stop.

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Anonymous #1 6w

So you admit that straight men feel invalidated when with nb ppl and see enbys as women, but you don’t allow lesbians to feel the same way? That is sexist and lesbophobic.

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Anonymous #2 6w

What the fuck lol. When did I say that. There are straight men who are attracted to enbies, and there are lesbians who are attracted to enbies. Doesn’t mean that they see enbies as women, it just means that they’re attracted to some of them. “Attracted to” and “see as women” are different phrases which mean different things, you see.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Okay, so 1) when have I claimed not to be a lesbian/what made you assume I wasn’t a lesbian? 2) many lesbians have trans gfs pre-bottom surgery, or who don’t intend to get bottom surgery, and are fine with that. 3) Some lesbians are said trans gfs without bottom surgery. 4) Straight men being attracted to trans women is, in fact, very common. It’s kind of a problem how many chasers there are, and they’re usually straight men (in my experience, ofc your mileage may vary)

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Anonymous #1 6w

It was one of your first replies to me when you said that. But okay I see what you mean, but I don’t like how you seem to validate straight men’s sexuality over lesbians

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Anonymous #1 6w

If a “lesbian” is satisfied with a penis and not ever having pussy than that’s not a lesbian and same thing for straight men. It’s as simple as that. Stop forcing dick onto lesbians!! It’s so gross and invalidating

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Anonymous #2 6w

What reply? I can’t see one where I said or implied that I wasn’t And girl. You are literally the one who is invalidating lesbians here. Some lesbians are attracted to some enbies and don’t see them as women, tale as old as time, not a big deal.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Oh okay so that’s just literally straight-up, no holds barred, no caveats, no extenuating circumstances, unadulterated transphobia. You see that right? You see what you’re saying? You get why that’s both transphobic and lesbophobic (because, you know, some lesbians are lesbian in a different way than you)?

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Anonymous #1 6w

No it’s not transphobic. In fact, it has absolutely nothing to do with trans people at all. You can change your sex, and be respected, but that does NOT mean you get to change definitions to sexualities just to make yourself more comfortable with your gender identity. You see how lesbophobic this is right?? It’s straight up homophobia is what it is. You don’t get to invalidate sexualities just so you feel more comfortable with your gender identity. Lesbians don’t have dicks and don’t like dicks

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Anonymous #2 6w

You say it has nothing to do with trans people but then you say “all lesbians hate dicks.” Haven’t you met a trans lesbian before? One in a t4t relationship or with a cis lesbian gf? This is bad form but to repeat the thing I paraphrased earlier, “there are more forms of lesbianism, #2, than are dreamt of in your philosophies”

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Anonymous #2 6w

So lesbians who don’t have sex aren’t lesbians? Why does your whole attraction to women and lesbianism revolve around sex

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Anonymous #1 6w

I don’t agree.

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Anonymous OP 6w

All I’m saying is that lesbians aren’t attracted to penis… why can’t you respect that??

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Anonymous #2 6w

You don’t agree… that transbians exist? Seriously: do some soul searching.

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Anonymous #1 6w

No I don’t agree to my sexual orientation and identity being erased and changed to what someone else who isn’t even a lesbian wants. And I fully stand by the fact that you need to have a pussy and like exclusively pussy to be a lesbian. That’s final.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Did you have to think for two days to come up with this response? Thinkings that hard for you huh?

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Anonymous OP 6w

….well…. Because it does…. It has everything to do with sex

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Anonymous #2 6w

So asexual lesbians are fake now? Lesbians need to have sex to be lesbians?

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Anonymous OP 6w

…yikes. Just go away homophobe

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Anonymous #2 6w

Homophobia is when trans people don’t like when transphobes are transphobic

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Anonymous OP 6w

How are they lesbians if they’re asexual?…. Is asexual not their sexuality?

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Anonymous OP 6w

WTF is wrong with you people?!

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Anonymous #2 6w

Hey who is “you people.” Explain in a way that’s not bigoted :)

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Anonymous #2 6w

Lesbians can also like women romantically. Not everyone centers their attraction around fucking people

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Anonymous OP 6w

Homophobic people.

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Anonymous #2 6w

How is being trans and wanting people to not be transphobic homophobic.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Well it’s a given that romantic attraction is present…. Idk if I would call someone not interested in sex a lesbian… they would be asexual tbh in my eyes, bc you have to like pussy to be a lesbian. It implies sexual attraction as well as romantic attraction.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Bc you don’t want people to not be trans, you just want to tell other people how their identity should be changed and erased just to fit the comfort of someone we don’t even know

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Anonymous #2 6w

Omg you take two days to respond to a comment because that’s how slow your brain works and you come back spewing insane loser bullshit. Not letting your rage-bait work. Kindly stfu and leave spaces where trans people exist :3 we exist in the world, so I guess you have a lot of places to leave!!

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Anonymous #2 6w

Who said I want people to not be trans? I want people to be trans, I’m making you trans next!

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Anonymous #2 6w

*transphobic* if that’s what you really wanted, you wouldn’t have so many women and lesbians claiming you people are so sexist and lesbophobic…. You just wanna tear others down instead of building trans ppl up

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Anonymous #2 6w

So, to recap: your stance is *at best* transmedicalist, which means that you believe trans people need to go through a certain amount of medical procedures to be “real women” (in this case, your line is drawn at bottom surgery) (which is not just transphobic, but also classist racist! Because, you know, it’s hard to get surgery without cash and in certain regions).

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Anonymous #1 6w

But realistically, your stance is just transphobic and STUPID. Because, and this is a true fact about our world: You are not the Prime Minister of Lesbianism. You do not get to adjudicate who isn’t and isn’t a lesbian, or what being a lesbian entails. Your definition of lesbianism is actually less authoritative than other competing definitions, because it is blatantly anti-reality (once more, see trans lesbians without bottom surgery as an example).

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Anonymous #1 6w

Also, like, you keep saying “you’re not a lesbian,” but I legitimately don’t know where you got that idea from. You didn’t answer earlier when I asked you why you made that assumption.

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Anonymous #1 6w

I have no power to force you to do this, I am asking you politely but if you adopt this behavior it will be completely voluntary. Please, leave this group, at least for a little while. You clearly lack an understanding of sexuality and are unwilling to learn it from people on here. Additionally, you are saying very transphobic things and are making people here uncomfortable. That is not acceptable here.

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Anonymous #1 6w

While you are not in the group, I encourage you to talk to queer people in real life and watch and read about the experiences of other queer people. I suspect that you’re quite young, and your experience in queerness is the only one you’ve ever known anything about. Change that, both for your personal benefit and for the benefit of the people that interact with you. Now please, go away. As you are right now, there is not a space for you here.

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