Anonymous #1 1d

Word for word bar for bar

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Anonymous OP 1d

that still doesn't make more sense tho😭😭

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Anonymous #2 1d

1 boy … 1 girl… both want bi girl…. Girl wins affection of bi girl every time the bi girl’s choices are the boy or the girl

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Anonymous #3 1d

they they procced to get mad when people called them out for that being weird, and started calling people insults and threw a 3 day long fit about it

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Anonymous #3 1d

Kinda… but the claim is that they are socialized to be passive

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Anonymous #3 1d

No one called me weird but ok

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Anonymous OP 1d

I quite literally posted “this is weird post” multiple times

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Anonymous #3 1d

Well it clearly wasnt bc im right based on my poll

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Anonymous OP 1d

your poll is opinions. do you have any actual data backing your claims

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Anonymous #3 1d

Nah just the survey

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Anonymous OP 1d

then you can not possibly claim to be correct if you have nothing to back you up on it

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Anonymous #3 1d

I have more than you do to say the contrary

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Anonymous OP 1d

i have made no claim. I have just pointed out how you can not back your claim as you have nothing to support your argument

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Anonymous #3 1d

Claim: women are socialized to be passive in courtship. In a sapphic context, a woman who breaks that script and pursues another woman would beat out a man competing for the same attention. Her defiance of gender norms carries more weight than a man following the script he was already handed, especially since women already filter out an oversaturated pool of men, many of whom they’re wary of to begin with.

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Anonymous OP 1d

cool. what proof have you of this claim?

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Anonymous #3 1d

Poll: 27 votes for yes sapphic women can pull more girl…. Claim supported

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Anonymous OP 1d

polls are opinion based with no data supporting them. you have no actual data to support you

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Anonymous #3 1d

I have more backing my claim than you do to the contrary

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Anonymous OP 1d

again i have made no claim. I have just pointed to out how you have no data or evidence to support your claim

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Anonymous OP 1d

Tell that to all the bi girls who chose men

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Anonymous #4 1d

The ones choosing men likely didn’t have a woman to choose from. So

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Anonymous OP 1d

Based on? You are the definition of that “it came to me in a vision” meme 💀

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Anonymous #4 1d

The poll

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Anonymous #3 1d

Data being the poll

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Anonymous OP 1d

Wow! Good thing you already received replies about that!

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Anonymous #4 1d

Given that we are in a patriarchal…. The safer gender gets more girls

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Anonymous OP 1d

Data collected without any proper procedure, that at least two people have already confirmed they voted on non-seriously

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Anonymous OP 1d

Based on?

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Anonymous #4 1d

It still says something

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Anonymous #4 1d

Lesbianism being an aphrodisiac

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m sorry? 💀

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Anonymous OP 1d

dawg what???

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Anonymous #4 1d

Facts

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Anonymous #3 1d

Facts

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Anonymous OP 1d

Correct me if I’m wrong here but are you mainly attracted to women, OP? To me, you seem like a person who is only attracted to women, that also has a lot of trouble empathizing with and understanding the actions of people with different experiences from your own. It reads like you aren’t very attracted to men and cannot understand why a woman would choose a man over a woman (the answer 9 times out of 10 is that she is more attracted to the guy and/or feels a stronger connection with him)

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Anonymous OP 1d

It’s not about gender. No single gender, as a whole, has more game than another. Some girls are god awful at pulling women (I would know lol), and some guys are great at it. If I find a guy more attractive than a girl, and I hit it off better with the guy than the girl, I’m going with the guy. It’s not complicated. YOU personally find being with women to be an “aphrodisiac” (does this just mean you’re more turned on with them than with guys???) that’s fine, but you are not all women.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Check the poll

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ive gotten more “yes” votes on the poll than Ive gotten arguments to the contrary

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Anonymous OP 16h

me when i know the thoughts and preferences of every single bi woman

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Anonymous #7 16h

Look at the poll… and ask why would a woman choose a man over a woman especially when they hyperfilter everyday men out already(not just for respect and harassment reasons) and women are misogyny-free

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Anonymous OP 16h

I would not say women are misogyny free

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Anonymous #1 16h

Well they arent oppressive misogynists

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Anonymous #1 16h

Low calorie misogyny over cane suger

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Anonymous OP 16h

Are you ever going to respond to my points or…

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Anonymous #4 16h

The answer is women are morally perfect and men aren’t. Women have a variety body desirable bodies and men dont. Women don’t praise men’s bodies. They do praise womens tho. And women are less to non-misogynistic

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Anonymous #4 16h

Ballparked data means more than no data

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Anonymous OP 16h

Holy shit you are nuts if you think women as a whole are morally perfect

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Anonymous OP 16h

so racist and transphobic and homophobic women don’t exist?

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Anonymous #6 16h

I’m sorry, you agree with this person?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Not as many as men

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Anonymous OP 16h

YOU AREN’T ATTRACTED TO MEN. That’s fine, dude. Other women ARE. You genuinely cannot imagine people with experiences that are different from your own. I praise men’s bodies. I have chosen a man over a woman because I connected with him better.

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Anonymous OP 16h

so if they do exist then how can women be “morally perfect”?

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Anonymous #1 16h

They’re not?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Near morally perfect *

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Anonymous OP 16h

YOU LITERALLY SAID THEY ARE

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Anonymous OP 16h

But you made a blanket statement about all women. Also women can absolutely be oppressive misogynists. White women do it all the time to women of color

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Anonymous #3 16h

The question is there

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Anonymous #1 16h

Well i take it back and say near morally perfect

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Anonymous OP 16h

how do you define perfect morality when morality is a subjective thing?

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Anonymous OP 16h

As a sociologist and anthropologist I can’t even agree with that tbh. I feel like there’s a lot of things you’re either just forgetting to consider or ignore on purpose

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Anonymous #3 16h

Apprehension to systems of oppression is a start

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Anonymous #4 16h

Plenty of women are equally attracted to both men and women. Plenty of women "praise" the bodies of men and women. Also where do trans people fit into your world view? What makes a body a "women's body" vs a "men's body"? Do you feel that all trans women are morally perfect and that trans men are not, or does that not fit in your narrative?

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Anonymous #1 16h

Like what?

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Anonymous OP 16h

ok so thats not what i asked. I asked you to define “perfect morality”. dont give me a start, give me an definition

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Anonymous #4 16h

How about nonbinary people?

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Anonymous #4 15h

Trans women have women’s bodies. Transmen are more perfect than cis men. And nobody wants to see a mans shirt come off unless he has abs or slightly buff(dad bod). Everyone has a favorite type outfit that they like to see different womens bodies in …especially bikinis

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Anonymous OP 15h

That’s straight up not true. Data collected like this can easily be misleading or completely misrepresent reality. There’s a good reason for the rules

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Anonymous #3 15h

I cant. I can give you a ballpark not a specific framework

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Anonymous OP 15h

so you don’t see trans men as men is what you’re saying

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Anonymous #4 15h

More perfect than cishet men ig

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Anonymous OP 15h

Then how can you claim something is perfect morality or near perfect morality if you cant even define what it is?

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Anonymous OP 15h

Not to mention 14 people out of the fraction that opened the comments and scrolled far enough to see this one, have already upvoted that the votes were done jokingly

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Anonymous #4 15h

It still gives you an idea of what the general consensus could be if a better data collection was done

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Anonymous #3 15h

Transmen are a type of man

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Anonymous OP 15h

Nope they are just men why do we have to separate them?

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Anonymous OP 15h

Trans men*. so why are they “more perfect” than cis men if they’re both men. why are you categorizing them as different

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Anonymous #3 15h

If the bar is “contributes the least to systemic oppression “ women clear that as a group

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Anonymous #4 15h

Why joke?

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Anonymous OP 15h

white women do so much to uphold systemic racism… so try again

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Anonymous #1 15h

Bc they are less contributive to systems of oppression

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Anonymous OP 15h

If trans men (two separate words) are men, then why do you believe they are more “perfect than cishet men”? You believe women are perfect and men are not, yet you believe trans men are more perfect than cis men? They’re less men than cis men?? Also again, where do nonbinary people fall?

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Anonymous #3 15h

Bc they are less contributive to systems of oppression

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Anonymous #3 15h

Not as much as white men

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Anonymous OP 15h

yes but they’re still upholding systems of oppression. You are ignoring intersectionality, and also just like everything about how the world works

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Anonymous OP 15h

You gotta be like paid to do this shit bc no way you’re doing this bullshit for free

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Anonymous #4 15h

Trans men are more perfect men…. Nonbinary ppl fall as more perfect than cis het men

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Anonymous OP 15h

trans men are men, so how can they be more perfect than men. you clearly dont see trans men as actual men

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Anonymous OP 15h

Your hierarchy is weird

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Anonymous #3 15h

Intersectionality is real… but qthey are still more perfect than white men

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Anonymous #3 15h

Im so serious

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Anonymous OP 15h

this is not a but situation. this is a, you are ignorant and postiting ignorance

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Anonymous #3 15h

Trans men are men… they are less contributive to systems of oppression tho

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Anonymous OP 15h

But you are actively denying and avoiding it? And refuse to acknowledge several holes in your argument

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Anonymous #3 15h

Its not a “but” situation ….why?

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Anonymous #1 15h

The holes are?

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Anonymous #4 15h

Like what is it that makes nonbinary people “more perfect than cishet men” to you? There are all sorts of nonbinary people with all types on gender expression and they do not necessarily fall in the center of this flawed linear scale of perfectness from men to women, that you made

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Anonymous OP 15h

which systems? because trans men are fully capable of upholding the patriarchy and transphobic

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Anonymous #1 15h

Intersectionality is real …there

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Anonymous #4 15h

Nb ppl are less contributive to systems of oppression than cishet men

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Anonymous OP 15h

which systems? you keep saying “systems of oppression” without acknowledge what these systems are

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Anonymous #3 15h

The dont uphold it as much as cishet men

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Anonymous OP 15h

dont uphold what specifically?

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Anonymous OP 15h

Firstly no gender as a whole is more perfect than any other. You seem to really struggle with not only understanding other people, but also very strong black and white thinking. People are all individuals, gender does not make someone a good person

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Anonymous #3 15h

Patriarchy, racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism……

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Anonymous #4 15h

Gender doesn’t make someone a good person. But every gender is more perfect than men

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Anonymous OP 15h

Bioesentalism is shitty

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Anonymous OP 15h

Secondly. Plenty of men, trans or not, are lovely people and truly care about others, and there’s also plenty of men are awful. No person is perfect, and a majority of people (if not all) fall in the middle. This isn’t about gender

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Anonymous #4 15h

I actually struggle with understanding what would make someone like a man over a woman… if they didn’t already know that man first i cant see it

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Anonymous OP 15h

That’s simply not true

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Anonymous OP 15h

Maybe bc they are attracted to men? It’s literally the same reason you would date a woman over a man but reversed?

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Anonymous OP 15h

So this entire fucking thing has just been you projecting onto other people. wonderful

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Anonymous #3 15h

How ?… aren’t all men socialized into the patriarchy and privilege?

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Anonymous #4 15h

Whats not true?

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Anonymous OP 15h

That’s exactly what I talked about in my comment that you never responded to. You cannot understand people with different experiences from your own.

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Anonymous #1 15h

If you have the choice between the two it doesn’t make sense to choose the man

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Anonymous OP 15h

BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE MEN OFC WHAT IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO YOU

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Anonymous #3 15h

The poll supports the projection since you think im projecting

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Anonymous #4 15h

Humbly i am trying to understand. Its just I don’t know anything about a man that a woman would want over a woman if given the choice between the two.

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Anonymous OP 15h

I’ve encountered plenty of nonbinary people who uphold the patriarchy, racism, sexism, homophobia, and ableism. People are not their gender. You cannot look at someone’s gender and determine their worth

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Anonymous #4 15h

i think that their approach to this conversation is disgusting but i agree with what they’re getting at. it shouldn’t be a “men suck” but a “women are just amazing like that” kind of thing.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Its almost like other people that only like women exist. The world doesn’t only consist of lesbians and straight men

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Anonymous OP 15h

How many times does it need to be explained to you that the poll is not actual proof

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Anonymous #6 15h

but like, as much as i love women, thats just not true. women are not better just because they’re women. I would love for this to be true but unfortunately theres to many women out there who are not wonderful

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Anonymous #4 15h

Yeah we went over that. But What it is tho. Women are better at literally everything why choose the man?

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Anonymous OP 15h

what exactly makes women inherently better? name the example thing.

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Anonymous #4 15h

They’re gender isnt tied to oppression like how mens is directly

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Anonymous OP 15h

OP you aren’t trying to understand. You’ve spent this entire conversation insisting that gender inherently determines a person’s perfectness (there are studies that show the exact opposite). I already told you when a woman chooses a man over another woman “the answer 9 times out of 10 is that she is more attracted to the guy and/or feels a stronger connection with him” You as a person seem to simply lack the ability to comprehend that other people experience different feelings than you do

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Anonymous #3 15h

Ik that … im not saying youre cant be attracted to both. Just that women are the better choice

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Anonymous #4 15h

Its a ballpark

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Anonymous OP 15h

what objectively makes women better?

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Anonymous #3 15h

you’re entitled to your own opinion

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Anonymous #6 15h

yes i am. and i like mine to be based in facts

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Anonymous OP 15h

For you! For you women are the better choice not for everyone. This isn’t a hard thing to grasp. People live differently than you and the same reason you would always choose a woman is the SAME REASON people will choose a man every time or switch between depending……

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Anonymous #3 15h

More familiarity with the way each other think is one think. More familiarity with each other’s bodies so you don’t have to ask as many questions as a man has to

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Anonymous OP 15h

so by your logic all men should be gay

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Anonymous #3 15h

And so should all women apparently

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Anonymous OP 15h

Men do societally have more power than women, AND that doesn't mean that women are perfect because there are some absolute horrible women out there. There are murderers, rapists, racists, eto who are women. And not an insignificant number either.. On the other side, there are men who are fighting for our rights, there are men who have died to protect us (ex Alex Pretti)

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Anonymous #1 15h

god i would love that but alas, in reality people of all sexuality’s exist. hell, people with no sexuality exist. and people with no gender!

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Anonymous #4 15h

*etc

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Anonymous #3 15h

okay. i like to base mine on both facts and experience and *in my experience*, men suck. i can understand where OP is coming from.

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Anonymous OP 15h

What I’m saying is that gender does not make you a good or bad person

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Anonymous #4 15h

Gender doesn’t determine a person’s perfectness that is true. I just don’t understand what cause a person’s to more attracted to a person tied to privilege and oppression by gender and lesser appreciated bodies

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Anonymous OP 15h

The statement “Women are better at literally everything” is factually incorrect. That is your opinion, which is not backed up by any studies. You are, however, treating your opinion as fact.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Ok I agree that men suck but like and I hate to say it, not all of them do. And they are also a victim of the patriarchy at the end of the day. But saying that women are superior to all and are morally superior is wrong and an other all gross statement

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Anonymous #6 15h

men dont suck inherently. men who uphold and support the patriarchy are great, i know multiple of them, they’re wonderful. men are capable of dismantling the patriarchal influence and ideology that is forced onto them.

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Anonymous #1 15h

If you choose a man then you lose body familiarity, similar thinking and socialization , and you are dating your oppressor

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Anonymous OP 15h

Once again with the sweeping statements all bc you can’t imagine someone living differently than you

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Anonymous #3 15h

No but gay men are more perfect than straight men

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Anonymous #6 15h

Women are not inherently perfect, and men are not inherently awful. That is just simply not true, and I don’t know what else to tell you. You can believe it’s true, but that doesn’t actually make it so

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Anonymous #1 15h

men cannot be victims of a system they created and uphold. i don’t interact with men. i don’t like to. why’s that an issue.

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Anonymous #3 15h

okay! every man i’ve met has sucked. i’m not saying all men. it’s just a reason why i steer clear of them.

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Anonymous #1 15h

That may not be far off. Unless shes known the guy longer than the girl pursuing

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Anonymous #4 15h

okay! every man i’ve met has sucked. it is true that men don’t inherently suck. but im allowed to hold an opinion on men based on what ive experienced.

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Anonymous #6 15h

Yes they literally can. That’s why they aren’t allowed to cry etc. Now do they have it a hell of a lot easier than women? Yes but they are still victims. We all are

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Anonymous OP 15h

We’ve been over this… You are a person who seems to be incapable of comprehending that other people experience different things. Do you think people choose who they’re attracted to? No, you are just attracted to who you are attracted to.

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Anonymous #1 15h

okay! you’re entitled to your own opinion

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Anonymous OP 15h

You are more attracted to women. That’s cool! Not everyone is. It’s just how our brains work.

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Anonymous #4 15h

That’s a good point but there are thousand Mother Teresa’s for every Gandhi

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Anonymous #6 15h

I mean I quite literally have two masters in this and I’m using backed research in my argument not my personal experience but ok stay pressed babes

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Anonymous #1 15h

okay! are you done?

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Anonymous #6 15h

You’re literally just an annoying troll so thank you for letting us all know your comments are irrelevant

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Anonymous #1 15h

sure! are you done tho?

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Anonymous #3 15h

See my point proven . You want all women to be gay. I atleast validated bisexuality

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Anonymous #6 15h

You can personally steer clear of men. Nobody said you couldn’t, and that’s not really what’s being talked about here. The OP has said that women are inherently perfect, and doesn’t believe any women would ever willingly choose a man over another woman. Do you agree with that, because that is the OPs stance here, and you are saying you agree with their stance?

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Anonymous OP 15h

You’re joking rn right?

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Anonymous #4 15h

On average the more empathetic, more emotionally, mature, more familiar when he got his bodies…. So those matter.

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Anonymous OP 15h

I dont want all women to be gay in any sort of serious way. I want all women to be gay in the way i want to be a necromancer. It would be cool but it’s purely fucking fantasy

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Anonymous OP 15h

Yes!! Do you understand why your argument has been so flawed, then?

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Anonymous #3 15h

They can dismantle the influence but they’ll never do it as well as women have/do

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Anonymous #1 15h

Are those not all true statements?

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Anonymous #4 15h

No, I don’t think people choose who they’re attracted to. But like you yourself said that you would like a world where all women were gay…. So clearly I’m on to something

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Anonymous OP 15h

The mother Teresa part is pretty ironic since she was genuinely awful in a lot of ways. I’m glad you can at least see that women are not inherently perfect and good now, though.

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Anonymous OP 14h

Again showing that you’re taking jokes as serious facts 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous OP 14h

I never said that… and the person who said it was obviously joking

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Anonymous #4 14h

Hold on I gave credit to bisexuality. I don’t think women are gonna leave their bfs for girls they just met

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Anonymous #1 14h

Im not maybe i misunderstood a joke but im being serious

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Anonymous #3 14h

I think that says something

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Anonymous #4 14h

I didn’t know it was a joke

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Anonymous OP 14h

Are you also unable to understand jokes?

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Anonymous OP 14h

How? Genuinely how did you think that was said in 100% seriousness? You also didn’t know lots of people were voting on your poll in a lighthearted joking way either

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Anonymous #4 14h

Not really. Point the flaw out that your trying to illustrate and we’ll go from there. Bc im saying that there is a lot of great women per 1 great man metaphorically

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Anonymous #4 14h

If bad morality had a scale men would be heavier due to socialization and privilege

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Anonymous #4 14h

It didnt sound like a joke. But its still an odd joke

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Anonymous #4 14h

I am just not that one

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Anonymous OP 14h

The flaw is that gender does not determine someone’s supposed goodness or badness. You cannot say all men are less perfect than all women. Nobody is perfectly good, and A LOT of women are awful. There are plenty of kindhearted, good men, just like with any gender.

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Anonymous #4 14h

Idk it didn’t sound like a joke

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Anonymous #4 14h

I never said gender is the determining factor. Its just a factor… and cishet-ness is a heavy factor.., also should i take your word for it or #6

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Anonymous OP 14h

Well considering #6 blocked everyone and only response to push back was “are you done?” I’d listen to the people telling you facts

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Anonymous #4 14h

Yes that is my point. And answer this. Why would a woman give up: less misogyny, highly likelihood of good empathy skills, higher likelihood of emotional maturity, less questions asked during pleasure, familiarity with eachothers bodies and gender experiences, and you alread praise eachothers bodies … for a man?

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Anonymous OP 14h

BECAUSE SHES FUCKING ATTRACTED TO MEN! Why are we acting like this is rocket science. I didn’t choose to be a lesbian the same way a straight woman didn’t choose to be straight. That’s why they end up with men bc they like men

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Anonymous #4 14h

Arent there more kindhearted women?

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Anonymous #1 14h

Straight women dont have a choice between man and woman .. it’s just men

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Anonymous OP 14h

Ok so bi people are also attracted to men…. And some women are pieces of shit and some men aren’t so…..

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Anonymous #1 14h

I hear you but which one is your life more threatened if hes a pos?

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Anonymous OP 14h

Ok and what if he’s a good guy and wouldn’t ever do that and you’re just being sexist?

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Anonymous OP 14h

No, that’s has never been proven

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Anonymous #1 14h

Which is the bigger gamble?

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Anonymous #4 14h

Its been inferred tho?

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Anonymous OP 14h

You started this off my saying “The answer is women are morally perfect and men aren't”. Can you explain how you never said gender was the determining factor for morality/goodness and badness

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Anonymous OP 14h

By who? You? There is absolutely zero proof that there are more kindhearted women than men.

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Anonymous OP 14h

Considering I’ve been assaulted by a woman, and hurt by way more women than men…

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Anonymous #4 14h

OK, then I would like to extend a correction women are more close to moral perfectness than men

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Anonymous #4 14h

Radical feminism …. Scum manifesto

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Anonymous #4 14h

Well, that is interesting caveat

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Anonymous OP 14h

That’s ever so slightly better, but still not factual

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Anonymous #4 14h

I’m pretty sure you would get called a pick me for that tho

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Well, I did not know that they were terfs…. but it was explained to me by another lady. That the term is supposed to be substituted for cis men instead of males

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Anonymous OP 13h

I’m sorry, what?

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Anonymous OP 13h

wtf?!

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Anonymous #4 13h

Alot of women would call you a pick me. I personally dont like the term but its not my term to dislike

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Anonymous #1 13h

What?

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Anonymous #4 13h

Well then what is it?

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Anonymous OP 13h

How does that make them a pick me?!

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Anonymous #1 13h

They’re picking a man

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Anonymous OP 13h

Because they like men? Thats not being a pick me that’s having a sexuality that’s attracted to men. Thats also not the definition of a pick me

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Anonymous #1 13h

Ill be honest i don’t know the politics of the word but ik it would used on them. Its not my place to speak on any way. I shouldnt have brought it up. It was just the first thought that came to mind

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