Anonymous #1 17h

I think men who want women to die because they have an abortion don’t like women

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Anonymous dawn_puzzle_piece02 17h

Lole

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Anonymous #2 17h

Tbf, some gay men in history were misogynistic.

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Anonymous OP 17h

so?

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Anonymous OP 17h

You can be sexually attracted to someone without supporting them as a person

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Anonymous #1 17h

There are countless straight women who hate men as people but are still straight

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Anonymous #2 17h

It literally proves that some people who are gay hate women throughout history.

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Anonymous #1 17h

ATP you view them as an object. If you only view the opposite sex as an object, you’re only able to have a lust attraction or have sex for repopulation purposes and not a loving relationship.

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Anonymous #4 17h

I mean there’s a difference between “I hate women” vs “I think this random woman should die because she had an abortion”

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Anonymous OP 17h

I would never make the claim that no gay person has ever hated women. You, however, are making the much dumber claim that men who hate women are necessarily gay.

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Anonymous OP 17h

What on earth does that have to do with them being “secretly gay”??

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Anonymous #2 17h

I just think there’s a point where you hate women so much you physically cannot love them in a sexual or romantic way. Same as some women hate men so much they physically cannot love them in a romantic or sexual way. Not all, some. And imo, a lot of MAGA men cross that line.

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Anonymous #4 17h

Because if you hate women so much that you cannot stand the fact of them having rights to personal autonomy without wanting them to die, you physically cannot love them in sexual or romantic ways.

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Anonymous OP 17h

That doesn’t make them gay, it just means they hate women. Besides, it’s absolutely possible to hate/oppress a group and still be attracted to them.

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Anonymous OP 16h

then call them psychopaths, but calling them gay is just absurd. you're using gay as an insult which we really should have left behind by now, and you're acting like if they were gay it would somehow explain or excuse their behavior.

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Anonymous #4 16h

You can’t be attracted to them in a romantic/loving way if you view them as objects and hate them. In history when women would be viewed as objects and sex was for reproduction, lots of men had gay sex and only used women for reproduction. In some cultures today, boys have to ingest semen of older men in order to become a man.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Yeah So being misogynistic doesn’t mean someone’s gay

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Anonymous OP 16h

Again, it absolutely is possible to objectify and oppress someone while still being attracted to them. Straight people do it to us all the time. Yes, women were used as vessels for reproduction while men would have sex with each other. In Ancient Rome and Greece. That’s two societies in history. Everywhere else was just plain misogynistic. Sounds like you just want an excuse to hate queer men

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Anonymous #1 16h

There’s a point where they cannot physically love women because of how much they cannot respect them, and they can only have actual respect for men. Some misogynistic people hate women but still view them as people, just inferior to men, but those who view them as objects and not people cannot love them as a person.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Back when women were only viewed as objects and not a physical person, gay marriage and sex was more common since it was more of higher status and had more of a praise. Some cultures still view gay sex as a higher praise. I think that men who are so misogynistic that they hold these views are homosexual due to it.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Glad we can agree that male misogyny doesn’t equal being gay

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Anonymous #4 16h

There’s still societies that do it today. They view sex with men as more important and women as more for reproductive reasons.

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Anonymous #1 16h

Male misogyny ≠ gay So misogynistic you can’t even view women as people but instead as incubators so you basically can only respect men = internal homophobia

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Anonymous OP 16h

Again, that just makes them misogynistic, not gay. You’re just being homophobic

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Anonymous OP 16h

That doesn’t mean they’re gay, it means they don’t respect women How is this so hard for you to understand, are you an adult?

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Anonymous #1 16h

Do you understand internalized homophobia?

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Anonymous OP 16h

I’m a gender studies major and I can attest that this is not what internalized homophobia is at all. Internalized homophobia is hating oneself and/or others for being gay. Not being misogynistic. What you’re talking about is called ✨misogyny✨ which is the hatred, oppression, and discrimination of women

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Anonymous OP 16h

More than you do 😭

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Anonymous #4 16h

Ok so let’s break down my point: MAGA men: hate gay people, so misogynistic they want women to die if they have a personal choice, basically want women to be quiet and used as objects and not people (while misogynistic men still view them as people, just inferior) Internalized homophobia: hate themselves for being gay and don’t accept it, hate gay people History: gay sex was praised due to men having higher status, women were objects and killed for personal choices

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Anonymous OP 16h

Just because a man is misogynistic doesn’t mean he’s gay Can we stop with this homophobic shit

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Anonymous OP 16h

So misogyny ≠ gay MAGA men = gay due to the internal homophobia and how they treat women as objects with no choice and not people (which is further than misogyny), so basically they mentally should be viewing gay sex as praise and sex with women only for reproduction reasons.

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Anonymous OP 16h

But MAGA men DONT praise gay sex, nor do they like gay people either. They’re just misogynistic, not gay. Equating being gay with misogyny or misogyny with being gay is both homophobic and a misunderstanding of how misogyny works. Misogyny thrives on patriarchal control and female subjugation, not on gay sex

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Anonymous #4 16h

Them not liking gay people is the internal homophobia part. And I’m saying they’re like a step ABOVE misogyny, like over the top where it’s back when women can’t have basic human rights (which a lot of them want). That’s how lots of civilizations who praise gay sex are: they think gay sex is a higher status since women are only for reproduction and men are the only ones who are viewed as humans.

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Anonymous OP 16h

Hating women isn’t being gay though. Being a queer man is about definitive attraction and love for men. Not hating women. Do you think lesbians are lesbians solely because they hate men? No. It’s because they love women. Yeah, in some ancient societies, men did associate misogyny with love for men. But that’s not how MAGA men work. They just hate women. I’m a queer man and I’m very leftist, and I love women. Me being queer does not automatically make me misogynistic, just like the reverse

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Anonymous OP 16h

I’m viewing it how it’s like republican -> conservative -> MAGA or democrat -> liberal So it’s misogynistic -> MAGA men, where MAGA men are a level ABOVE misogyny that they’d think having gay sex would have a higher praise since they don’t even view women as people. Like how Ancient Greece and Rome were because they viewed women as objects and men as people, so gay sex was a status symbol

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Anonymous #4 16h

I’m literally not saying misogynistic men are gay. I’m saying MAGA men are gay because they would fit in with the cultures where gay sex was a status symbol.

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Anonymous OP 15h

No but you literally are saying misogynistic men are gay. MAGA men are misogynistic, and you are calling them gay. And no, MAGA men would not fit in with those ancient cultures because again, MAGA men do NOT view gay sex as a status symbol. They hate us! They hate men like me!! They hate gay sex!! They would call me a slur for taking a dick just the same as they call women slurs for taking it. Idk how else to say this bro

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Anonymous #4 15h

Every single MAGA man and super homophobic man I have met that hates gay people I fully believe has internal homophobia. The way they act, I fully believe that if they had gay sex they would have different opinions because of it.

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Anonymous OP 12h

this is just objectively not how it works, this is a braindead take and provably wrong.

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Anonymous #7 10h

Again, I'm viewing it how it's like republican -> conservative -> MAGA or democrat -> liberal So it's misogynistic -> MAGA men, where MAGA men are a level ABOVE misogyny that they'd think having gay sex would have a higher praise since they don't even view women as people. Like how Ancient Greece and Rome were because they viewed women as objects and men as people, so gay sex was a status symbol

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Anonymous OP 10h

what the actual fuck are you talking about

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Anonymous #2 10h

I literally commented it earlier 💀

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Anonymous OP 10h

They don't though. Like, we know for a fact that they don't view gay sex that way. It's not a hypothetical that you can debate. They're actively working against gay men because they view us as disgusting. Also, the fuck do you mean "a level above misogyny" ? There is no "level" above misogyny, that's not how these words work. It's all misogyny.

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Anonymous #6 10h

I’m guessing you haven’t met the same people I have. Lots of them I fully believe are only in relationships with women because that’s the heteronormative. Lots of people, not just me, are fully convinced they have internalized homophobia

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Anonymous OP 10h

Are you a gay man? Because if you aren't (and honestly even if you are), I'd take the multiple gay men in your comments telling you this is homophobic as a sign that you're misguided. Gay people being seen as haters of the opposite gender rather than simply loving their own is a real issue that goes back generations, and this narrative feeds into it.

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Anonymous #7 10h

Fucking hilarious that when it say it now it’s downvoted lol. And I mean levels because misogyny you still view women as people but they are inferior to men. This is when women are objects, hence basically a level above it and back how it was when everything was patriarchal and women were property and not humans. So therefore, MAGA men would have the mentality that gay sex is more of a dominant thing and higher status since men are humans and women are objects.

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Anonymous OP 10h

You're using theory instead of reality. Sure, you can draw a line of reasoning to hypothesize that MAGA men could view gay sex as better than sex with women, but that doesn't fucking matter when we can look at reality and see that it's NOT TRUE. Women aren't just seen as objects, they're seen as sex objects. As in, their entire purpose is to provide sexual pleasure and means of reproduction for men. So men enjoying sex with women is PART OF THEIR OPPRESSION.

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Anonymous #7 10h

Ok so basically I am seeing it where MAGA men are like in a circle, ok? They hate women to a point where they can basically can only love men. I’m not saying this about ALL gay men or all misogynistic men, I’m NOT saying misogynistic = gay. MAGA men are so anti-women that atp they’d probably just prefer men.

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Anonymous OP 10h

I understand how you're "seeing it". I don't need you to keep explaining. I'm telling you that you are WRONG. You are, despite your intentions, equating misogyny to homosexuality, and you are not correct in your assertions that they can only love men. People are multifaceted, they can love someone while still abusing them. This has nothing to do with gay men. Leave us out of it.

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Anonymous OP 10h

your original post was, and I quote, "I fully believe MAGA men are gay because of how much they hate women". I honestly hope you're moving the goal posts because of a dozen people telling you that you're stupid but you can't claim you weren't saying what you said verbatim.

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Anonymous #7 10h

As someone who survived abuse, you cannot love someone and abuse them. You cannot claim you love women while chanting you want them to die because they had a personal choice or take away their personal freedom and choices.

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Anonymous OP 10h

yeah, they're bad people and psychopaths. that doesn't literally change their sexual orientation.

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Anonymous OP 10h

I am also an abuse survivor. People are fucked up and abuse people they feel love for because they don't actually care about that person's feelings. We can argue about the emotional vs. social models of "love" all day, but that doesn't actually matter, because as I stated earlier, absence of love for women does not equal a love for men.

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Anonymous OP 10h

MAGA men want women who had an abortion to die. Conservatives just want abortion to be banned. MAGA men want women to no longer be able to vote. Conservatives want to make it harder for women to vote.

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Anonymous OP 10h

That's... not true? Both of these sets of opinions exist within trump supporters and conservatives alike. Alt-Right people are often not Trump supporters due to being more conservative than him. Regardless, I don't know what any of that has to do with your homophobic post.

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Anonymous #7 10h

It’s saying how maga men are more anti-women than conservatives. Which is why they would prefer seeing gay sex as something status related since women are objects and not people.

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Anonymous OP 9h

"You're using theory instead of reality. Sure, you can draw a line of reasoning to hypothesize that MAGA men could view gay sex as better than sex with women, but that doesn't fucking matter when we can look at reality and see that it's NOT TRUE. Women aren't just seen as objects, they're seen as sex objects. As in, their entire purpose is to provide sexual pleasure and means of reproduction for men. So men enjoying sex with women is PART OF THEIR OPPRESSION." --something I literally just said

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Anonymous #7 9h

Heterosexual sex in general is only viewed for reproductive reasons, which is why the heteronormative lifestyle was pushed on housewives in the 60’s. Women are viewed as objects for reproduction, which is why in history, and many cultures today, have gay sex for status and pleasure as well.

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Anonymous OP 9h

If you genuinely think that heterosexual sex in the current american culture is only seen as a way to produce children, then I can only assume that you've either literally never spoken to any heterosexual about sex, or you've gone so deep into sanitized historical records that you can't see what's in front of you. Regardless, though, this still wouldn't prove your point correct, because an absence of attraction to women has nothing to do with attraction to men. This argument is tiring. Ciao.

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Anonymous #7 9h

Omg I’m not talking about American culture I’m talking about how heterosexual sex is made for reproduction because of biology.

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Anonymous OP 9h

Does this equate to gay sex being made for nothing “because of biology”?? look at this from a different angle for a second. Many of the MAGA guys you’re talking about make unwanted advances on women. They make crappy jokes and various other things, viewing women as sex objects. Because they want to have sex with them. They don’t do that to men because they’re not attracted to men. Do misogynistic people with internalized homophobia exist? obviously. Are they the people you’re talking about? No

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Anonymous #8 9h

Omfg I have talked about people with internalized homophobia and referred to them. And, once again, I talked about how gay sex is for pleasure. Seriously.

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Anonymous #8 9h

I'm thinking we may just need to give up on this individual

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Anonymous OP 9h

Btw, there actually are queer MAGA men.

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Anonymous #8 9h

if you truly think that a significant percentage of overtly misogynistic men were gay, do you really think that over the course of decades, they wouldn’t stop also aggressively hating on gay people as well??? If this were true, we *would* see them praising gay sex over straight sex like you’re saying. But they don’t. Because they don’t have that interest in gay sex. I

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Anonymous #8 9h

You do know lots of cultures embrace gay sex as normal and support it? America is the one that really doesn’t, same as other countries who follow Abrahamic religions. Do research.

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Anonymous OP 9h

I know there are queer maga people. That’s not what we’re talking about. You at least seem to be claiming, perhaps originally jokingly, that most if not all of the overtly misogynistic MAGA men are gay. If you’re not claiming that, please clarify.

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Anonymous OP 9h

And that is related….. how? you were talking abouting about MAGA men. They’re pretty definitively part of american culture, and you could even say they’re their own subculture

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Anonymous #8 9h

I’m saying that gay sex is very normalized in the world but MAGA men are the small minority who hate women and gay people so much that I fully believe they should experiment.

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Anonymous OP 9h

Are you well? Like genuinely. I’ve seen you argue this all day and you’re wrong nearly every single time. If you actually believe that gay sex is “normalized in the world” then you are blatantly ignoring countless laws that criminalize same sex relationships, marriages, and sex acts, as well as queer people in general. People can be jailed, attacked, or killed with zero consequences just for being gay in a lot of countries. You’re just wrong and ignorant, end of story

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Anonymous #8 9h

I’m not saying that in order to be gay you need to hate women, right? I’m saying that I think they might have some sort of internal conflict that makes MAGA men hate women because they’re not fully attracted to them. So yes it is a joke, but I genuinely think it is true due to history using women as objects and them having the same mentality, and how a lot of people I know are. Plus, if “men need to have sexual experience and women need to be pure”, then men need experience with each other

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Anonymous #4 9h

Homosexuality is legal (130) in more countries than illegal (67), and 40 nations legalized same sex marriage.

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Anonymous OP 9h

So yes, actually, it IS normalized in the world by twice the amount of countries than not normalized. It fully depends on the type of government and religious law.

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Anonymous OP 8h

nnno, seems like everyone thinks you’re a dumbass who doesn’t know how sexuality works lmao

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Anonymous OP 8h

Seems like your major didn’t teach you that, huh?

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