No i can confidently say although i may have FELT like that, since the age of maybe 15 i understand that my words have meaning and people deserve respect no matter how I’m feeling. Kiki-ing with your friends and talking your shit or journaling your most toxic thoughts( whatever your coping mechanism is idc) is one thing and totally valid and healthy speaking venom and calling someone out of their name is immature, abusive and wrong. Let’s not mince feeling an emotion and acting out on it..
the whole point is that most people aren’t on tv being emotionally baited on 3 hours of sleep with no phones, no friends, with no awareness of time, and their feelings constantly played with. you might think you’d handle it better, but none of us know how we’d act until we’re in that exact situation. also… people yelling when they’re upset isn’t unheard of— it’s called being human.
of course but also some of us were raised to believe that yelling at someone is wrong and you need to communicate how you feel in a respectful way i’m not saying i wouldn’t do that if i was being emotionally baited on 3-6 hours of sleep every night but i know i also wouldn’t go on the show bc it would be bad for me even if i was tho, i would at the very least acknowledge that what i did was wrong and i shouldn’t act that way regardless of the scenario instead of saying “we all would do the same”
amaya had very emotionally charged and very understandable some would say justified crashouts. but what amaya did was go to those men that really didn’t even deserve an apology and say “it was not right for me to speak to you that way and that doesn’t define me and i am sorry that i treated you like that” without waiting for them to apologize or change or anything
in talking about this i’ve realized that it’s not that i think i wouldn’t crash out, in fact i probably would but i also would be able to recognize the impact my actions have i absolutely have done and said things in moments of weakness that i regret and wish i could take back and you’re right im absolutely not perfect i think the difference is ownership of the actions
accountability is important, and i think that huda has done that many times. but a lot of what i’m pushing back on is the way people weaponize the concept of accountability to justify unnecessary cruelty. huda’s behaviors were wrong, but that doesn’t mean people need to dehumanize her or act like they’d be saints in the same position. you can name poor behavior without pretending that yelling makes someone irredeemable.
see that’s where we disagree, the only time i’ve seen huda actually OWN her actions and say yk what this was wrong period full stop REGARDLESS of whatever else was happening i shouldn’t have done that was when she was apologizing to chelley and then she has since pretty much walked that back and been like yeah idk why she was so mad i didn’t do too much when she literally said herself that she did too much i just havnt seen her take responsibility for the actions, its a lot of “sorry but”
i hear you, but i don’t think accountability should be performative to meet everyone’s standards of what a ‘good’ apology looks like. people process things differently. just because she didn’t apologize in the way you wanted doesn’t mean she’s never taken ownership. we can critique her without demanding perfection.
the specific words or setting might differ, but the core experience—losing control of your emotions and saying/doing something you later regret—is something most people have experienced. whether it’s directed at a partner, a parent, or even yourself, it still counts. i’m not excusing huda’s behavior, but i am saying that many of us have had moments that wouldn’t look flattering on tv.
that’s not true 1. and i’m not really all that bothered by it 2 you just can’t tell me that saying “yeah i was mean and i’m sorry” and then leaving the villa and then saying the same “mean” stuff again is showing that she was sorry i’m not being hateful to her or characterizing her in any negative way and it genuinely also wouldn’t be that hard for her to take accountability there’s absolutely is a type of ownership that would be good enough for me she just hasn’t shown it idk why ppl can get
taking ownership and then walking it back tho does indicate that you were never sorry i don’t think it should be performative either, which is why she’s not doing it, and that’s why i say she hasn’t taken responsibility i’m not demanding anything from her im just pointing out she hasn’t taken responsibility for her actions or issued genuine apologies without going back on what she said
it’s totally fine if that’s what you define as crashing out, but everyone expresses emotion differently. and respectfully, private breakdowns aren’t inherently more ‘respectful’—they’re just hidden. bottling up emotions doesn’t mean you’ve mastered them. and also, when i said ‘private,’ i meant that they weren’t on tv. you weren’t filmed, edited, and broadcasted to millions. huda was. and the bar y’all hold her to is unreal.
i brought it up bc that kind of behavior has been glorified and applauded on the internet for YEARS… i brought it up bc SOME people have selective accountability.. trying to hold huda to a standard they’d never told themselves to. i can guarantee you many huda haters have done that and worse. i brought it up to point out the hypocrisy. if the point went over your head, just say that then 🤷🏽♀️
ok well there’s no hypocrisy here because i wouldn’t defend and glorify that i understand what you were attempting to do but the point didn’t land bc u also don’t condone that and since you are applying this logic of hypocrisy to people who hate huda but glorify that, it just simply doesn’t apply to me if you wanted to just say that to say it good for you but you aren’t really “getting” anyone by saying that actually all of my criticism of huda is because i hold myself to these standards
i made a general comment/statement on my post. i never wrote that to anyone in specific, including you. it was a generalized statement that had nothing to do with you.. i didn’t say that applied to you specifically. you chose to respond to it, however it wasn’t directed to you. not everything that’s said is about you 😭😭
And it’s not to say i don’t understand and empathize with how Ms. Hurricane got there, but that doesn’t discount that this is W-R-O-N-G. We can stand in both- i understand how you got here, this isn’t okay, i want you to be better(bc also remember this isn’t fun for her to see her behavior on tv), let’s be honest so there can be growth
you’re misunderstanding me. i’m not saying people should yell and cuss each other out. i’m saying we all have different ways of expressing hurt or frustration— and just because someone’s version of that happens publicly doesn’t mean they’re worse than someone who hides it better. therapy can help people on both sides of that coin.
you’re oversimplifying what emotional regulation looks like. yes, yelling at someone isn’t respectful— i never said it was. but breaking down in private doesn’t automatically make someone more respectful either, it just makes them less visible. we don’t all express pain or stress in the same way, and it’s not always a clean, rational process, especially in emotionally charged environments like the villa.
as for accountability, i agree it’s important. but taking responsibility looks different depending on the person, the moment, and how ready they are to process their behavior. you might think it’s ‘easy,’ but for someone dealing with rejection, shame, and public judgment all at once, it can be more complex than that. accountability isn’t always immediate and demanding perfection from people while they’re still raw isn’t realistic or fair.
atp, you’ve made it clear that no form of accountability will ever satisfy you unless it looks and sounds exactly how you think it should. it’s also wild to frame someone’s conflicting emotions in a high-pressure, heavily edited environment as ‘proof’ they were never sorry. people can be sorry and still struggle.