Anonymous #1 4w

Fr, Superman is quite literally a symbol of hope and justice who loves humanity and fights in the name of its best aspects, that’s core to the character. If you want to see characters that are grittier and violently flawed, go watch Invincible or The Boys.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 4w

It is, unfortunately. The only semi-good movie I’ve seen from Snyder is that stupid ass animated Legend of the Guardians owl movie and even then it was a 6/10 at best.

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

I mean I don’t hate man of steel. Not my favorite interpretation of Superman, but still a cool movie. From what I’ve seen though I definitely think I’ll like gunns version better. Planning to post hate posts and fake bad reviews is crazy tho

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 4w

I think it’s still pretty bad, man. Boring as hell and completely lacks any of the charm Superman should have. While it’s not as bad as dawn of Justice it still mischaracterizes Clark pretty badly.

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

No I fully agree. I don’t really even think of it as a Superman movie necessarily. It’s just not really him. I just think as like an action/superhero movie in general it’s not like the worst

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Anonymous #7 4w

I believe that if Henry Cavill knew anything about this, he would make a statement saying he would never don the cape again because of these people. Cavill is a true nerd by his own admission and any true nerd would NEVER tear down another’s work for the sake of a fantasy.

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Anonymous #7 4w

Whenever people say “you know Henry Cavill isn’t as good of an actor as people say” I’m just like, yeah man, he’s been shackled to Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon for the most part over the last 10 years, what’d you expect

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

I actually thought Cavill looked the part of Superman really well, and I think under the right script he could’ve been the perfect Superman

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Anonymous #1 4w

Even Snyder himself wouldn’t tear down Gunn’s work. The two are friends and Snyder even congratulated Gunn

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Hey man if you like media that completely misrepresents and ruins the emotional and thematic core of characters you claim to enjoy that’s fine, I don’t control what you watch, just do yourself a favor and never pick up the source material lol

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Lmao you want to look at someone who just wants to bang action figures together and doesn’t care about character or story? Look at Snyder. Pretty much every CBM he’s made turns every hero into the exact same flavor of emotionless, unsympathetic murderer because he thinks it’s edgy and cool. We don’t get heroes that actually stand on morals, we get a Batman who guns down his foes like The Punisher and a Superman who behaves like an emotionless alien. It’s hot garbage through and through

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I don’t need Whedon-esque humor to enjoy a superhero film lmao, in most cases that ends up ruining the tone. Idgaf what Nolan thinks about Snyder, they can be fuck buddies for all I care, it doesn’t change that Snyder fundamentally misunderstands the character’s he’s writing. Even to a non comic enjoying audience, they’re just flat uninteresting and lack any compelling depth. Compare this to something like Matt Reeves’s The Batman that has a darker tone while keeping Batman’s heroism intact

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I’m not sure why you think I’m some sort of MCU shill who loves their overdone humor lmao, I’m not a big fan of those films whatsoever. They’re fine, but I stick to comics primarily, and Snyder’s interpretations completely remove all of the best parts of those characters that have been established by comics for generations. if you want to watch Media that completely misinterprets these characters, go ahead, just don’t act like I’m the pathetic one for enjoying films and comics with depth lol

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I’m sorry but if Snyder thinks Batman should be killing criminals with guns and Superman should be casually murdering the people he fights, he does misunderstand the characters lol. I have no idea how you can claim to be a comic fan and think those actions are in any way in line with the character lol. Superman is, inherently, a kind hearted hopeful and sympathetic character, and Snyder took that and gave us one of the least compelling and most off kilter portrayals of him in a while

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I’m fine with different interpretations of classic characters, you’ve gotta shake things up now and again, but they have to remain interesting and have a compelling emotional core. I don’t think I’ve seen any Snyder film, DC or otherwise, where this is the case lmao. The closest we got was Watchmen and that’s because he took most of the best moments and lines from that film directly from the source material. I’m frankly not surprised he’s getting less and less support from studios.

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Cool, it’s a reinterpretation, and I’m telling you it sucks lmao. It tweaks core elements of the characters without providing any compelling development through those changed whatsoever. Gunn had no involvement with The Batman either, I’m not sure what you’re on about that, but I think that film is a great example of a reinterpretation that works because it maintains a compelling arc for Bruce. None of Snyder’s originals have any compelling character development t whatsoever.

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Even if I divorce myself from my history with DC material and try to put myself in the shoes of a viewer watching his Dc films with no background knowledge, I can’t imagine getting into them because, again, his character writing is just not interesting, there’s no compelling depth to any of it. It’s just poorly written, boringly shot scene after scene of trite dialogue that doesn’t explore the characters in an engaging way all throughout.

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I’ve also NEVER seen a Christopher reeves Superman movie lmao, like I told you, I read the comics, and as someone who has read them I find it nearly impossible to like Snyder’s Superman. He’s the most bland, characterless version of Clark we’ve gotten in decades. Injustice, one of the weirdest and crappiest DC comics I’ve seen in a while, writes Clark better than Snyder does lmao

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Yeah those scenes did mean nothing to me because they were super poorly done lol. The acting and direction is just not up to par dude, it all feels really off kilter and like the development is being rushed and comes out of nowhere. Pa Kent’s death in particular is so awkwardly handled that I can’t help but laugh at how stupid it is that Superman doesn’t save him, it’s just ridiculous

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I frankly do not care that it didn’t get finished because I didn’t enjoy anything leading up to it lol, you shouldn’t have to see all the threads get tied up to have to enjoy what came before, and I didn’t. that’s what Snyder’s greatest failing is to me: his inability to explore characters in an emotionally compelling way. Enjoy it if you want, but dont be surprised when audiences actually want storytelling that’s emotionally intelligent for a change lol

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Only killed with guns in a dream sequence? What do you call this lmao

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Batman media, at least faithful stuff, typically goes out of its way to provide context for Batman’s gear not killing anyone. Even Batman Arkham does this, though it is incredibly forced lol. I’m sorry but if you think Batman should be mowing down criminals with machine guns in his car then you’ve clearly skipped a few chapters in the “how to write a good Batman” field guide mmao

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I’ve seen the goofy old comics where he picks up a gun and mows down baddies, but we’ve had decades of development from that point that’s greatly expanded on his morals in a way that makes him compelling. When Snyder removed that from the character, he failed to replace it with anything else compelling, and thus we got one of the most uninteresting Batman interpretations ever. We can go back and forth all day man but you’re not gonna convince me and other fans of these characters to like it

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

If 8 is who I think it is I have them blocked because they went on a post I made asking Snyder fans to stfu and let people enjoy the new movie and tried to lecture me about how my comment on him being more comic accurate was false.

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Anonymous #1 4w

It’s just another Snyder fanboy that thinks his style-over-substance approach is actually compelling and thoughtfully made cinema when really it’s exact kind of plot line an 11 year old me would have made with my action figures after seeing Batman ‘89 for the first time. Blows my mind that people get so touchy over this that they’ll say your parents hate you and call you slurs lol

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

You know I once heard a theory that all this outcry for an “edgy” Superman is because the Injustice plot line made it seem like he would drop his morales WAY too quickly after facing a tragedy, kinda like the Justice Lords timeline in the JL show.

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Anonymous #1 4w

This is off topic from the character aspects but so long as I’m dogging on Snyder I’ll also say that I fucking hate how he directs action. His movies have so many slo mo and shaky handcam effects that it makes them a fucking slog to watch. It’s at its worst in Man of Steel, go give the fights a rewatch and you’ll see what I mean lol

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Don’t worry bro, now that he’s off DC stuff he can finally make original stuff with full control over the film. I’m sure that will come out better…whoops, nevermind lol

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Holy shit you’re really worked up about this dude lol. Go like the snyderverse if you want, I just think it sucks as do many others and it’s clear studios have far more confidence in new talent to man the helm. For once, I agree with them lol, and I think we’ll finally get away from the toy-banging slop that was being pumped out for nearly 10 years.

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I also never personally attacked or called you an idiot up until you started calling me a fat loser and the r slur lol, don’t dish it out of you can’t take it maybe?

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

If they tell you to shut up reply with “bitch you’re on my post” and block them that’s what I did.

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

Oo slurs? Report them first

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Anonymous #1 4w

It’s just insane to get that mad over superhero media lol

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I don’t think Gunn is some sort of superhero Jesus or anything, I personally really didn’t like Creature Commandos, but he’s certainly got a better sense of how to write compelling or likeable characters than Zack Snyder lmao. Do you always result to schoolyard insults like this when people tell you your GOAT is washed?

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I never called you an idiot for liking man of steel lmao I just said I think it sucked and I disagreed with your take. If you want to take that as a personal insult that isn’t my fault lmao

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

So seriously the last time I saw someone that worked up I was questioning them on why they thought Batman was a “fascist”. (Note: none of their reasons was remotely in line with fascism, incorrectly characterized the relationship between him and Superman, and completely ignored the fact that Batman and Robin were used to sell war bonds during WW2).

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

Oh yeah that’s definitely the same guy I blocked. He’s projecting hard about his idolization of Snyder.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Some Batman interpretations have been arguably somewhat fascistic over the years, with Frank Miller’s interpretations being a pretty fair example, but that’s obviously not the intended point. Funny enough, one of the best examples of this is Snyder’s Batman lol

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Anonymous #1 4w

It must be exhausting being this much of a manchild about meathead ass superhero flicks lmao

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 4w

Oh yeah it can be argued that some interpretations can lean that way but they were arguing the character as a whole was fascist. Their main points were that he was a billionaire (?) and that Superman was his opposite because he fought a billionaire (?) and other random shit if I remember correctly. I replied back with examples from the Bruce Timm version as well as asked how any of that specifically meant he was a fascist and they lost their mind.

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I never said you were an idiot for liking bad movies lmao, you’re welcome to screenshot where I did that and show me to try and prove me wrong lol. I saw man of steel and BvS with my own eyes, sat through the whole thing, and hated both lol. If you’re too much of a manchild to accept that one man’s trash is another man’s treasure and vice versa then I feel sorry for you lol

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Again, I never said that. You are free to tell me where I did lol. Me recommending you avoid comics because they’re nowhere similar to what you liked in man of steel isn’t me “banning” you from picking them up. And again, I never called you an idiot, At least not from the start. After seeing you lose your mind like this, I certainly think you’re an idiot now lol

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I mean look at your behavior rn man, is it not embarrassing to see yourself this worked up over CBM’s and put words in people’s mouths because they don’t like Snyder? It’s honestly just kind of sad lol

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Again, I never said any of that lmao, you’re getting mad at what’s in your own head. This is wild lmao

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I never called you an emotionless idiot lol, I said Superman was portrayed as an emotionless alien, you’re confused lol. Me recommending you don’t read certain comics isn’t me trying to ban you from anything. The victim complex you people have, I swear lmao

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Anonymous big_al_the_riddler 47m

Or at least just stick to Batman

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