Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I know but ideally they’re interesting enough movies on their own that don’t need to be attached to an IP to make anyone want to watch it

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Anonymous OP 4w

That makes no sense lol. You can’t make a James Bond movie without James Bond? Then you’d just have a Mission Impossible movie which is already another huge franchise lol

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

That’s my point. Without the prior context that it’s Bond it would just be a boring spy movie that goes straight to streaming.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s…… not what I said at all lmao. You do know Mission Impossible (a spy movie franchise that isn’t Bond related) is one of the most popular, critically acclaimed, and financial franchises of all time, right?

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Financially successful **

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Yes. But that is also another well established IP.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It wasn’t though. It was generic in the face of Bond back in the day and it survived well enough on its own

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Actually it was based on a TV series from the 60’s, so a lot of people already knew what Mission Impossible was when the first movie came out. Also I wouldn’t call MI generic, at least not the first movie. In fact I’d go as far as saying it blew Bond movies from the 90’s out of the water. That’s my opinion though. I don’t see why Mission Impossible is relevant.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You made it relevant when you said “without them, those movies would totally fly under the radar” but that’s simply not the case lol spy movies have done perfectly fine without being James Bond. Just say you hate James Bond and move on. You don’t need to make an explanation for it. You’re entitled to your opinion just don’t try to root it in fact because then you get called out

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Yeah, it’s almost like I was exclusively talking about James Bond and not other spy movies. These spy movies in particular would be nothing if they weren’t part of an established IP.

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Anonymous OP 4w

But then it wouldn’t be a James Bond movie which makes your point moot lmfao

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I know. That’s what I’m saying. If they weren’t associated with James Bond then nobody would be watching them. They would just be generic spy movies that get lost in the algorithm. How is this so hard for you to understand.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Of course people would watch them. Mission Impossible’s success is a prime example of generic spy movie that people love and want to see more of. The Kingsman franchise, The Bourne franchise Argo, Zero Dark Thirty, Bridge of Spies, The Imitation Game, Tenant - all successful solo spy thrillers Mother fuckin’ Spy Kids, dawg

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Those movies are either based on a true story or simply not boring as fuck. Bond is. Not every movie with spies in it is the same.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s my point though is that you’re just giving an opinion and then trying to prove it with facts and logic when that’s not how opinions work lol People clearly love what Bond brings to the table hence why there have been a million different Bonds. You make a “Bond” movie without Bond and chances are people are still going to enjoy it and see it because the ideas around the name are enticing enough to people

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I disagree. I never said this was more than just my opinion. That is quite literally what a hot take is. Personally, I think that Bond movies would fly under the radar if nobody knew they were Bond movies. That’s it. You’re thinking way too hard about this.

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Anonymous OP 4w

They wouldn’t though because Bond wouldn’t have lasted this long if it weren’t for the content of which the movies are structured on. Just having a popular IP doesn’t make something automatically successful or survivable. Look at the DCEU. They had Batman & Superman and ran it into the ground. The name recognition is never enough. The content has to be quality too and obviously the vast majority of moviegoers enjoy the content that Bond brings so if a movie were made exactly how Bond is made

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Anonymous OP 4w

But they swap out James Bond for Timothy Shovel, chances are people would still enjoy it

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

In all fairness the DC Snyder movies derailed into being an all-out clusterfuck. They were given lots of fair chances for being part of an IP. Bond may not be that, but I think on their own they’re pretty dull movies. To clarify, I’m thinking specifically of all of the Daniel Craig films specifically in today’s market. They might have done okay 30 years ago, but now? I don’t see those movies getting much attention if they’re not known as Bond movies.

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