Anonymous #1 7w

Not to mention the way they phrased it makes it sound like all disabled people have those kinks

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Anonymous #5 7w

I can totally see that but the post is terribly worded. It makes it sound like all disabled people have piss and fart kinks and that any personal discomfort towards those kinks are kink shaming.

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Anonymous #2 7w

it definitely could have been worded better. but since it would be wayyyyy beyond absurd for anyone to suggest that all disabled people have piss & fart kinks, the vast majority of people aren’t actually going to misinterpret the post that way (unless they’re actively trying to harass the OP)

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Anonymous #6 7w

OP’s entire account is focused on disability justice advocacy. that context is missing when we’re just looking at a screenshot, but in-context, it’s clear from checking OP’s bio / past posts that kink is a secondary consideration

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Anonymous #5 7w

while that’s a fair addition of context, talking about something a lot doesn’t legitimize the correlation, though. you can weaponize/misuse ‘ableism’ in a way that is harmful to the greater disabled community even if you yourself are disabled.

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Anonymous #6 7w

all I’m saying is, OP is solidly not just using disabled people as a talking point to back up pro-kink rhetoric. it’s not that she “talks about ableism a lot”, it’s that her entire web presence is explicitly centered around issues relevant to disabled (esp physically) people

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Anonymous #5 7w

making something your entire identity online also doesn’t make you an expert on it, though. you can do something good advocating for disabled people and still be wrong once in a while. they weren’t clear enough about how these specific things are related in this specific post; that doesn’t mean they’re a terrible person or everything they say is invalid.

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Anonymous #5 7w

honestly i totally agree with what they’re saying i just think they’ve worded it terribly. and yeah like others have said unless they have at least anecdotal evidence of correlation it just feels like projecting

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Anonymous #7 7w

ngl this is exactly where i agree with op of the tweet. certain kinks might gross you out but that doesn’t mean they “deserve shame”

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Anonymous #6 7w

well, this particular person actually is somewhat of an expert though, is the thing. and her wording wasn’t great, but the point she’s making wasn’t wrong. when people make a huge deal out of how repulsive they find adults who use diapers, that Does contribute to stigma against people who have to use diapers for medical reasons

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Anonymous #5 7w

a huge part of being an expert is going to school, learning the correct vernacular surrounding your area of study, and having the certification of the institution that you understand. while lived experience is certainly helpful to take at face value, unfortunately we can’t weigh someone’s opinion as that of an “expert” until they do what everyone else has to in order to be considered a professional. no one said anything about adults who use diapers; you extrapolated that yourself.

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Anonymous #5 7w

they said “there is a substantial correlation between people into urine and fecal kinks and disabled people” i said “where’d you get that info?” and you’re pulling all kinds of unrelated stuff to argue on behalf of someone who probably doesn’t know you exist. you can like people and still hold them accountable when they present something unverified as fact. nobody’s insulting this person’s core character.

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Anonymous #6 7w

she did not fucking say that ??? what she said was 1) there’s nothing wrong with having those particular kinks and 2) disabled people on average tend to be more kink-friendly. 2 was an anecdotal opinion, you’re free to disagree with that assessment, but don’t go putting words in her mouth

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Anonymous #6 7w

note that i’m not the only person who connected the dots re: why some physically disabled people may be harmed by stigmatization of diaper usage… when you spend a lot of time in community with chronically ill people, it’s not hard to connect the dots there. also, me and pot8um used to run in the same circles on twitter—like i said, i have context for this post that you wouldn’t be privy to from a screencap

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Anonymous #5 7w

comparing people who need to wear diapers for legitimate medical reasons to people who have a fetish for shitting themselves is really fucking weird and problematic. thats 100% ableist. adults who have to wear diapers don't do it because they chose to.

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Anonymous #5 7w

that’s not connecting given dots; it’s adding something that wasn’t there. i don’t have twitter, but i do have a severe gi condition to the occasional extent of bowel incontinence, and you don’t speak for all of us just because you’re loud and “run in the same circles on twitter” as someone you consider an “expert” with no formal qualifications. it seems like your heart is in the right place, but your arguments are doing more harm than good to the actual disabled community.

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Anonymous #6 7w

whats funny is i also run in the same circles as her, i had to block her because the takes were always fucking weird, ans i was tired of them being on my timelime. this tweet is a PERFECT example of that. and shes been called out several times for harassing people simply because they disagree with her on minor, trivial shit.

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Anonymous #6 7w

i’m not harming anyone, nor am i claiming to speak on behalf of any demographic. you misinterpreted the post—we can agree that she didn’t word it very well—so i told you what she meant. because to some people the point she’s making is in fact an intuitive one

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Anonymous #8 7w

when people talk like the act of urinating in a diaper is inherently unsanitary and disgusting, which is something often said as part of “kink-shaming” piss fetishists, they aren’t just saying “it’s gross to be turned on by that”. they’re saying it’s inherently dirty and shameful to be using a diaper. that’s where the ableism comes in. hope that helps

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Anonymous #4 7w

Some do, some are real fucked up and are morally just so wrong but no matter what it’s not abelism

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Anonymous #5 7w

hold on, are you actually suggesting that piss and shit is not unsanitary? it literally..is? they carry bacteria and viruses, and other germs. you can literally get STD's from eating ass if you get fecal matter on your mouth. adults who wear diapers are not inherently unsanitary *themselves* but if they poop or pee themselves, that is absolutely unsanitary and the diapers need to be changed.

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Anonymous #5 7w

you’re drawing parallels that don’t inherently apply, and it’s a common misconception that urine is always sterile; it is only sterile at the exact moment it leaves the body and CAN absolutely spread disease

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Anonymous #6 7w

not to say consenting adults can’t do whatever the fuck they want, but part of consent is having all of the necessary information to make that decision.

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Anonymous #6 7w

that is exactly how i’m saying you’re harming the disabled community: acting like something is scientific or medical fact based on a tweet from a non-scientific or -medical professional and spreading dubious information based on what you think they meant.

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Anonymous #8 7w

OBVIOUSLY they need to be changed once soiled… but the entire point of a diaper is that it absorbs urine rather than said urine getting all over you. for people who need them, it’s a more-sanitary option. why are you putting so much effort into avoiding acknowledging that shaming diaper usage in a general sense is harmful to some disabled people who may need to use them?

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Anonymous #5 7w

shaming any disabled person for using any medical aid is wrong, but that is not what anyone was talking about at all, and you’re using that appeal to morality to weaponize a completely different argument.

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Anonymous #6 7w

no, i simply understood the post. it’s fine that you didn’t, but that doesn’t make it illegible. also, i didn’t say piss was sterile, i’m saying it feels bad to hear people laughing about your medical needs being “dirty”. i swear the both of y’all are just being willfully obtuse for the sake of argumentation at this point

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Anonymous #5 7w

no one is obligated to pat you on the back for making a valid point that has nothing to do with other people’s conversation you entered ready to fight. that is not how the adult world works.

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Anonymous #5 7w

You have definitely gone off topic at this point

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Anonymous #9 7w

with sex overall, and are speaking on their aversion to it, is shaming or discriminating against ppl who do have sex? like it’s just WEIRD lol

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Anonymous #5 7w

we analyzed the information op gave and answered op’s question. if you need to be in some sort of weird, pseudoscientific in-group to understand the context of this person’s posts that do not follow the generally accepted academic guidelines of disability advocacy, that’s not being intentionally obtuse; that’s being appropriately careful about the media you consume.

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Anonymous #6 7w

what did i pose as “medical fact” exactly, you petulant condescending twat?

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Anonymous #5 7w

you called this person an expert at discussing disability advocacy issues, and if you’d put your money where your mouth is and ever take. an introductory class on the topic, you’d know part of being an expert in medical or paramedical fields is the care taken around what information or opinion you publicly disseminate. THAT is connecting dots, not pulling diapers out of thin air.

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Anonymous #6 7w

i’m… 😭 babe i can’t work around these reading comprehension issues of yours, you have this incredibly smug tone while you’re repeatedly confidently misreading things and it’s making you a huge pain in the ass to engage with. you’re nitpicking just to feel correct rather than making genuine attempts at understanding what’s been said

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Anonymous #5 7w

we fully understand what you’ve said, and it’s not a valid argument, sorry. it’s not nitpicking when the whole argument on its face is based on assumptions about what someone you don’t know (whether you have some parasocial twitter connection to them or not) means but they didn’t say.

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Anonymous #6 7w

reading comprehension includes the ability to make use of context clues and worldly knowledge to ascertain meaning, as well as being open to perspectives outside your own rather than flatly disregarding them just because you’re sure you know better already 👍 hope you still have time to outgrow this smug self-unaware attitude

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Anonymous #5 7w

Ooo insults, yeah that definitely shows that you have a point. Totally doesn’t look like you’re losing the argument at all.

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Anonymous #11 7w

i’d be super interested to hear about what angle you’re taking in that thesis and what kinds of points you end up covering, if you feel like chatting about it! DMs are open, but no pressure. i presume you’re already familiar with Bob Flanagan’s work, yeah?

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Anonymous #11 7w

(i disagree with #2 in your reply, but i’ve already said a lot in this thread about the connection OP was pointing to, so i’m less interested in debating you on that part than i am in hearing about what kinds of insights you’ve developed over the course of researching this topic)

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Anonymous #5 7w

absolutely, feel free to dm! i’m mostly focusing on chronic pain and sadomasochism (and also working on it over next school year - so i only have the research i’ve looked into so far!) to be clear tho, i’m def not saying that most disabled/ND people are kink friendly - just that population wise, we are already more motivated to reject social scripts of sexuality, which often carries over to kink

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Anonymous #11 7w

omg, it was so fortuitous to bump into you on here? the relationship between chronic pain and sadomasochism has been an obsession of mine for like 2/3rds of my life at this point, no exaggeration. stoked to chat about it with someone who’s doing proper research into that specific intersection! i’ll definitely hit you up a bit later today when i’m less busy ✌️

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Anonymous #11 7w

and fwiw, i do agree about disabled people being more kink-friendly on average! i just feel strongly that—for instance—the ways people talk about diaper-usage while kink-shaming can very often veer into unconsciously ableist territory, by way of stigmatizing diaper-wearing in a more general sense when plenty of people have to use them for medical / disability reasons. so that’s what OP’s speaking to wrt situations where kink-shaming can, in effect, be ableist

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Anonymous #11 7w

but i’m earnestly not trying to zero in too hard on our disagreement here so as to get into an argument about it or anything, cause i don’t want that to get in the way of us having a friendly talk about your research, and i already did a lot of bickering over my perspective in this thread 💀

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Anonymous #5 7w

lmao all good! i tried reading the thread with 2 and i just totally lost the plot, but always down to hear different perspectives too!

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Anonymous #7 7w

what kinks are “morally wrong” and why? why is it wrong if it involves consenting adults doing something all parties involved have said they want?

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