Anonymous #2 7w

MVP is a QB award but should NOT be a QB award

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Anonymous #3 7w

I disagree tbh. It’s not a best player award, it’s most valuable. Most valuable means providing the most value, or in other words, which player contributes the most winning impact to their team? That is almost inherently a QB. CMC was the best player in football in 2023, but if you remove him from the 9ers they’re still a good playoff team. Remove Allen, Lamar, or Mahomes from their teams and they miss the playoffs. QB is inherently going to be the most valuable position, so yes, the MVP.

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Anonymous #2 7w

But by that same logic there are some players, let’s take Aaron Donald for example, that have a similar impact as qbs just on the other side of the ball. Or saquon this last season for Philly, the pass game was only allowed to flourish as much as it did because teams were so focused on stopping him. For the most part I do agree that QBs are the most impactful and deserving of MVP but to say that it should be only for QBs and ignoring the occasional other instances of non-QB dominance is ignorant

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Anonymous #3 7w

Aaron Donald is in the very rare category of players who could genuinely contend for an MVP while not being a QB, the timing just never lined up because his best season (the 20.5 sack season) was the same year as Mahomes’s breakout lol. Saquon is a great example of why RBs really shouldn’t win the job. Look at that same player when he was on the giants. It took him going to such a good team to actually be as good as he was.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Ok but you see my point in the Donald instance, even if rare imagine if they made MVP QB-only, then the next AD to come up eventually wouldn’t even be in contention for the award because of his position regardless of his immense impact

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Anonymous #3 7w

Well, if it were to happen where we see a truly generational season from a non QB, and at the same time, one of their best seasons aligns with a particularly weak QB season, then sure I’d support them winning. That is such a low probability in today’s league that I doubt it will ever happen though.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yea I agree with u about everything else; though the chance of it happening aren’t much, qb play is a little lower now than it was in the last gen, so I wouldn’t completely count it out but I also wouldn’t be totally surprised if a non-QB never won MVP again

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Anonymous #3 7w

The closest we’ve ever really seen it was JJ Watt in 2014, which was maybe the best defensive season ever. Hell, you could argue it’s the best individual player season ever. He came 2nd in MVP to Rodgers, who had another prime Rodgers 38 TD-5 INT season. This illustrates the point, that even historic defensive seasons really just don’t hold a candle in terms of value to a great QB season.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yea I see what u mean but in my eyes Watt definitely should’ve won that season, I guess ur right in saying that mvp is a QB award but that doesn’t mean it SHOULD be. The award favors QBs definitely but in the instances of historic team carrying seasons for other positions, those should definitely be worth more to win MVP than just a great QB season

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Anonymous #3 7w

I get your point, but just from an objective perspective, do you think Watt provided more absolute value to his team than Rodgers did? Think about it like if you took that player away and replaced them with a replacement level player at that position. Which team would suffer more? I think it’s obviously Green Bay. There’s just no level of play at any position that is more valuable than an elite QB season.

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