Anonymous beardownsyndrome 1w

More so a ranking based off of last year and previous years took into consideration.

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Anonymous beardownsyndrome 1w

I think London deserves to be there but has unfortunately had bad coaching and QB play

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Anonymous #2 1w

I didn’t realize the generator was missing him. I’d put him at solid.

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Anonymous battered_falcon_syndrome 1w

I could see that, I was on the fence of where to put him

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Anonymous #4 1w

Someone didn’t watch GP. He’s always been a generational catcher with his tracking, hands, body control, and flexibility but his main issue was route running and this year people could not guard him unless they completely focused on him and left others open or in easy 1on1 matchups.

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Anonymous #5 1w

ST Brown doesn’t do a thing better than GP besides maybe after the catch stuff. But he’s not a better route runner, not better at catching the ball etc. that’s not saying he’s bad at those things, he’s very good in the short and medium route department and has very solid hands but GP is better.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Bruh I was literally arguing pickens top 5 last year and everybody called me a dipshit I had ravens fans putting flowers over his ass All yall dumb as fuck

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Anonymous #6 1w

Olave in the same tier as addison is criminal btw

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I’d put him top 5 but I get its hard to pick between him and Chase

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Anonymous #6 1w

Bc he wasn’t last year, you do realize players make jumps and progress/regress right?

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Anonymous #6 1w

Olave and Addison are not that much different in terms of skill and Olave is always injured.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

He getting head hunted out there it isn’t like he’s built weak Pickens had top 5 skills if you actually watched football his entire career Bad qb play don’t mean u ain’t top 5

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Anonymous #6 1w

You’re talking to a Steelers fan that wanted GP far before most people knew his name. I’m well aware of how talented he is but he did have route running issues and separation issues on the Steelers. I’m not disagreeing that there was bad QB play and poor coaching but if all you’re being used for is jump balls or little short routes to scheme you open then people have every right to question his route running ability.

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Anonymous #6 1w

Olave gets injured even he doesn’t get head hunted, that still doesn’t change the fact that he’s not a crazy great WR. He’s good and a solid WR1, would do better as a WR2.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I don’t disagree that he’s top 5, I’m disagreeing on him belonging in the same tier as the big 4 when he’s arguably not even the best receiver in Dallas

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Anonymous #4 1w

He is currently better than CD, he’s a top 5 WR, I’m not going to have 4 guys in a tier labeled top 5 especially when I believe GP is the best contested catch specialist and the best spectacular catch specialist in all of football.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Well honestly, why have such a rigid “top 5” tier? 5 is a completely arbitrary number, and there can be less than, or more than 5 players at that level. I’d just have the top tier as “elite” and fill in the guys who deserve to be in that tier. Also, Ceedee vs Pickens is very debatable, and judging it off of one season where Ceedee got hurt seems a little reactive, especially given that Ceedee has been clearly better every season before this, and has also achieved a higher peak season in 2023.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I don’t think it’s really up for debate. Before yes bc GP wasn’t as polished of a route runner (maybe it was just the coaching/scheme in Pittsburgh) but this year he was a phenomenal route runner and it did not matter if it was a deep route or a short route GP was putting BTA. On top of that GP has remained a generational pass catcher, there is not a single receiver in the league that I’d take over GP if I need a spectacular play made on the ball by my guy.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I don’t agree, I think there’s quite a few WRs in his tier that are on his same level or slightly better than him. I’d also take everyone in the tier above him over Collins. But what are your arguments I’ll hear you out?

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I’d be willing to bet that if we saw them both fully healthy for a full season (which I hope happens) that Ceedee will overall out produce Pickens. Still, this is probably the truest 1A/1B WR duo in the league.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Why I don’t like Pickens in the same tier as the other 4 is that to me, being in the same tier means that I think there is a good argument for any of them over the other. For example, if you have any of JSN, Puka, Chase, or JJ as the #1 receiver in football, I may not agree, but I think that you have a strong argument at least, and I won’t think you’re crazy. If you think GP is the best receiver in football, I’m gonna think you’re crazy.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

At his best, he’s just displayed a higher level of play than anyone else in his tier (aside from Adams and Hill obv, but they’re old). A prototypical X that is physical at the catch point, can run any route you need him to, and just does it all. It sounds like lazy analysis tbh, but he just kinda does everything you’d like a receiver to do while being bigger and stronger than anyone he’s up against. Nobody else in his tier is doing that.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I think what has held back his production has been mostly due to injuries, and a struggling Houston offense overall, which isn’t his fault. If we manage to see Collins play a healthy 17 games with Stroud playing well and a half-decent Texans O-Line, I could easily see him threatening for OPOY status

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Anonymous #4 1w

Like I’m serious, I do not think that there is much of a difference at all between Collins and prime AJ Brown. Brown is probably a little more savvy, but Nico is bigger and faster

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Anonymous #4 1w

While I do believe the others are better route runners, I however do not think that their route running ability completely clears GP’s to where he’s not comparable. I’d also argue GP is better after the catch than some of them. Lastly, and not even debatably GP is the better catcher, I’m taking him over anyone else for contesting catches, spectacular catches etc. there’s not another WR or receiver in general in the league who has better tracking, body control, hands, and flexibility than GP.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

The numbers say otherwise, Pickens talk is bigger than his game.

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Anonymous #5 1w

The numbers say Pickens by a mile lmao. Also, box score watching doesn’t tell the whole story when St. Brown is a pure slot and doesn’t threaten the boundary at all

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Anonymous #4 1w

All around I agree that Nico does a lot of things at high level I however think that other guys in his tier are not far behind him in some areas while having other areas of their game that they’re just better at than Nico that puts them in the same tier. It’s like the Allen, Lamar, Herbert, Burrow argument. Sure you can rank one over the other but they’re all in the same group bc overall their skill and talent are pretty equal to one another.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I’d argue JJ is at least comparable to Pickens in terms of overall ball skills, (and obviously is better at basically every other aspect of the position, I don’t think you’re arguing for GP over JJ lol)

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Anonymous #4 1w

That’s something I’d have to give more thought to and if I can find a tier generator that has all of the skill guys grouped together I’ll make one. Off the top of my head tho I’d say Bijan is probably at the very least around top 15-20 WR category putting him in the top of the tier list. Where would you put him?

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I’m a lot higher on Bijan than you are lmao (not in terms of pure value because obviously WR>RB, just ability as a player). I think Bijan in terms of pure ability as a player is better than all but 3-4 of the WRs

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’m not arguing GP over JJ, they’re probably the most similar to each other. If we’re talking about models of an iPhone Chase would be the base model, GP the pro version and JJ the pro max. The pro max can do everything but in this scenario to make it align with my talking points bc it does so much it’s more demanding of the battery so it has a slightly worse battery life and pro version isn’t far behind in other areas that they’re max is better in.

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Anonymous #5 1w

St Brown has no vertical deep threat to his game and really only works the first 2 levels. St Brown also has nothing on GP’s ball/catching skills.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I mean, Bijan in my eyes is the best RB in football, and the gap is pretty large between him and #2. Absolutely ridiculous vision paired with his lateral agility makes him the most consistent runner in the league by a wide margin, and his burst and overall athleticism are honestly underrated. He looks like a snake when he runs with the way he’s able to maneuver so smoothly between defenders without losing any speed. He’s probably most people’s #1 RB, and I still think he’s severely underrated.

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Anonymous #4 1w

I like Bijan but I don’t see him cracking the top 5 of WRs maybe an argument for top 10 but that’s the furthest I can see him.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

I don’t think these people understand just how vital being able to threaten deep is to the overall impact as a wide receiver. This might be crazy to say because St. Brown obviously is the #1 in Detroit, but I’d argue that Jamo is more vital to the overall success of the offense due to his gravity

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Anonymous #4 1w

Rn I’d have to agree but I don’t think Saquon is far behind bc he imo is an older version of Bijan maybe even faster top speed. I wish Moore never left Philly bc too many people are calling Saquon washed for lower production when it’s not his fault for a crumbling OL, a QB that can’t operate under center and a moron at HC and a Neanderthal at OC (Patulo)

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Anonymous #4 1w

I will say tho that Bijan definitely doesn’t get all his respect that he’s owed, there’s a lot of people that genuinely believe Gibbs & Bijan are on the same level when it’s not even close.

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Anonymous #4 1w

If Jamo isn’t there teams could just load the box & double St Brown and Detroit returns back to poverty.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

If we’re just looking at production, Bijan just had the 12th most yards from scrimmage in NFL history on 5.1 Y/C, was 2nd among all RBs in receiving yards, and did this on an offense without a top 25 QB all year. His RB2 also had over 500 yards and 8 TDs, so there was more on the table Bijan could’ve had if he was the true work horse back.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

That shit pisses me off. Gibbs has played every snap of his NFL career in an absolute dream offensive situation, and Bijan has still never played a snap with a genuinely good offense. I like Gibbs and would take him as the RB2 overall, but Bijan is so head and shoulders the best to me, and it isn’t close. In fact, there may be a bigger gap between RB1 and RB2 than for any other position in football rn. Only other off the top of my head is Garret among edges

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Not to mention that Gibbs is also clearly better and more important. ARSB is one of the most overrated players in the league IMO. A really good slot receiver in a dream offensive situation to rack up a bunch of yards, but he’s not the kind of guy you can have as the engine of your offense. Replace St. Brown with Jakobi Meyers and the offense would function mostly the same.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Saquon is so hard to judge IMO, just because everything in Philly went so wrong this year. I kinda disagree on them being similar though, I view them as very different players. Saquon is far more of a home run hitter than Bijan is, and his top speed and burst are clearly better. Bijan on the other hand isn’t quite the downhill athlete, but he has truly generational vision and lateral agility.

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Anonymous mr.orangutan 1w

Also, while I don’t think this year was Saquon’s fault, he is still a 29 year old RB who has had a lengthy injury history. I wouldn’t put money on him being his prime self.

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Anonymous #4 1w

They have their differences but overall I think they’re more similar than they are different. Both have that ability to make you realize you’re watching a true 1 of 1 player and we’re so spoiled to get so many RBs like that within the last 10 years. Gurley, Bell, CMC, King Henry, Saquon, and Bijan. You could even argue Kamara to be put in that discussion.

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