Anonymous #1 4w

Most Jews from MENA region countries live in Israel. Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews are still in the US and Europe. Israel has certainly failed in keeping its Jewish population safe

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Anonymous #1 4w

Succeeded in what sense? Ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide?

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yes

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Anonymous OP 4w

Israel put the middle eastern Jews in danger, but by doing that it pushed their migration into its borders, helping to fulfill the Zionist goal. It was less successful in getting the Jewish populations from France, England, and the USA because those are comparatively safe countries. Has been pretty successful in getting the populations from Eastern Europe and to a lesser extent Argentina

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Anonymous #1 4w

Zionism is an evil goal

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Anonymous #2 4w

I already said I disagree with it as a concept. They have succeeded in some of their goals but not others. For example, the east bank (Jordan) was formerly a goal for settlement but that didn’t happen.

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Anonymous #1 4w

They also weren’t successful in completely segregating themselves from Arabs. Early Zionists spoke of wanting a society where Jews are present at every level of economic production, perceiving that as being superior to a South african system of ethnic supremacy. They felt Jews could never be native to the land if they were merely an upper class. This wasn’t paired with a complete expulsion of Arabs but rather an economic and social segregation from them.

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Anonymous #1 4w

That wasn’t really successful. Arabs are economically and socially segregated in Israel, but they are both still present in that society and make up a large part of the cheap labor force. Israel ended up being more similar to South Africa in that sense than early Zionists intended

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Anonymous #1 4w

Of course it would be inaccurate to act as if all early Zionists had the same goal. There’s the divide between religious and political Zionists and different goals within that. The poor Russian settlers in the ottoman period could hardly be said to be doing it with the goal of expelling Arabs, but the Lehi and Irgun of the 1940s certainly were aligned towards that goal (though only partly followed through).

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Anonymous #1 4w

Jewish territorialism (the idea that a majority-Jewish territory was necessary to keep Jews safe) very easily could have manifested in Argentina, Uganda, Angola, or other locales, though Palestine was always the main goal for all the reasons you are familiar with

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