Anonymous #1 12w

Bc it’s rejecting an exact human truth that is homosexuality that has a full biological purpose and has been observed in countless other species in favor of an unproven and temperamental “god” that has zero basis in reality

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Anonymous OP 12w

Other animals also rape, cannibalize, and tear each other apart but we would see that as wrong if a human did it (for instance Jeffrey Dahmer). All of those things mentioned also have a biological purpose such as pleasure and sustenance. Are those things correct?

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Anonymous #1 12w

wait so you’re comparing a harmless act of love to… cannibalism? Surely you understand how stupid that argument is

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appeal to stupidity

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s obvious humans have a different moral code than other animals, we don’t allow humans to rape and kill but all other animals do it constantly. So then, this person is right that you can’t use the nature argument to defend homosexuality.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I do not believe that all Muslims are anti-homosexuality, as I’ve met some that are not. If there is a Muslim that is anti-gay, then yes, i maintain that that is a foolish, ridiculous, harmful, and cruel belief that should not be followed

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Anonymous #3 12w

The nature argument was a pre-argument in a sense, bc there’s always the ridiculous claim that homosexuality is a choice or abnormal

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So again, rape actively harms people. Homosexuality does not.

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Anonymous OP 12w

I believe it is harmful

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Anonymous #3 12w

How so? That’s stupid lmao

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Anonymous OP 12w

Wayyyy more STDs. And is harmful to the soul. Male and female were made to be complementary

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Anonymous OP 12w

?? Nobody’s saying homosexuality doesn’t exist. People are saying it’s wrong. That’s a different claim.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Mainstream Islam teaches the same as Christianity that homosexuality is wrong. But I don’t see near as much hate about Islam as I do Christians, even though they’re the ones that actually kill gay people and Christians do not.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Fun fact more straight people have HIV than gay worldwide. Additionally, homosexuality does not equal homosexual sex (although there is nothing wrong with that either, as what consenting adults do with each other is none of your business.) additionally, see the point about nature being homosexual - man and women were not naturally meant to go together in every circumstance. Additionally, that’s fucking stupid

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Anonymous #3 12w

doesn’t mean you should judge or make sure politically they shouldn’t have rights when they aren’t harming ppl and you know that. Even if you believe it’s sin “He who has not sinned may cast the first stone” and “Love thy neighbor” should be at the forefront of your mind if you were truly christian and not using your religion as an excuse to perpetuate hate.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’m saying your religion is wrong. You say homosexuality is wrong. One of these has proof

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Anonymous #3 12w

I hate anyone who bashes homosexuality

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Anonymous OP 12w

There is no “proof” against Christianity

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Anonymous #3 12w

Really? Yes there is lmao. Science exists. Carbon dating proves that god didn’t create the world is 7 days. Genetics prove that Adam and Eve didn’t exist. Basic laws of nature prove that Jesus didn’t come back as a zombie. Like… don’t be daft

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Anonymous OP 12w

Wow. I guess God’s rules have to conform to your opinion. There’s no way he could exist if he doesn’t agree with your morality?

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Anonymous #3 12w

God doesn’t exist. I do :)

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Anonymous OP 12w

God is fully capable of breaking the laws of nature, he is over all of it. He created it. And many like myself are old earth creationists. And there are those that are creationists that doubt the accuracy of carbon dating that actually know a lot about it.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Give me proof god exists. Right now.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Proof besides the fact that God incarnate raised from the dead 2000 years ago? There’s tons of solid arguments for Christianity. Even if you disagree, this is something that has been debated for a very long time. There’s not some silver bullet argument for your side.

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Anonymous #3 12w

god would not want you to care, worry about your own sin if you’re dead set on it being defined as sin, although the bible has been edited by hundreds of powerful weirdos…and just be kind-that’s like the whole point of the fucking religion

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Anonymous #3 12w

Ok so give me the solid arguments. Bc from where I’m standing, they all appeal to the Bible, and that’s just a book. That’s not proof of anything. Give me empirical evidence that God exists

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Anonymous #2 12w

It’s not edited, it matches word for word with the Dead Sea scrolls and tons of very early manuscripts. Christianity isn’t “just be kind”. We should love others, but if someone is on track to go to hell for their sin I do have a responsibility to tell them the truth.

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Anonymous #3 12w

okay i see now. you’re rage baiting okay

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Anonymous #3 12w

God is a woman and i scissored her

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Anonymous OP 12w

Instead of completely dismissing the Bible could you instead talk about whether the Bible should be trusted? For me, I’ve never heard a good argument for why the disciples would fabricate a fake religion that they knew would lead to their death. Nobody does that.

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Anonymous #2 12w

I’m not rage baiting this is what Christianity teaches. Love and truth are inseparable. Christ loved others perfectly and called them directly to repent of their sin and follow him. We can’t just ignore when people’s sin is celebrated in public, it’s something that should enrage us.

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Anonymous #3 12w

People fabricate fake religions all the time. None are more real than any other.

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Anonymous #3 12w

many gay people have been killed by christians actually. you don’t see hate about islam bc you don’t live in a predominantly muslim region. use some fucking common sense

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Anonymous #3 12w

I could go into a long discussion about how homosexuality was mistranslated, how it’s man should not lie with boy and that homosexuality didn’t appear in the Bible until the 1940s, but I don’t care enough

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Anonymous OP 12w

People who are mistaken make claims about things they may or may not know is true. For example, Muhammad claiming to be a proponer may or may not have been true, his followers wouldn’t have known. But the disciples would have absolutely known if the Gospels were fake and Jesus didn’t resurrect like they claimed, so their martyrdom actually does mean something.

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Anonymous #3 12w

that’s their own journey and jesus would be disappointed in you for using him as a shitty excuse

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Anonymous OP 12w

There’s so many more verses than just that verse which by the way wasn’t mistranslated. It is all over the New Testament and that is why there has historically been zero disagreement on this issue. Yeah the word “”homosexuality”” might not appeared, it had “sodomy” in that place.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Or - they were selfish, wanted lasting fame, and created a religion to feel better about their lives. Like how all religions are made

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Anonymous #3 12w

Are you talking about Sodom? Bc that’s about rape, not homosexuality

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Anonymous #2 12w

What are you talking about? Journey for what? There is no journey besides repentance and following Christ. But repentance HAS to happen, that is indisputable.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Sodom counts too, it’s talked about in clear terms in Romans 1:26-27. Check it out. As well as 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

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Anonymous #3 12w

yes because jesus said you should judge people and be cruel to get them to join. i remember that verse well. you’re doing great

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Anonymous #3 12w

Listen dude, frankly, I don’t give a shit about your beliefs. I think they’re stupid and harmful, but you can believe whatever you like. Just don’t attack gay people, don’t try to pass or support legislation that infringes on gay people, and don’t get offended when people get mad at your “Christian love” that conveniently excludes gay people.

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Anonymous OP 12w

They think it IS love. Thats the worst part

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Anonymous #4 12w

They think they're doing you a service by telling you that the way you were born sends you to hell. You can't reason with these people

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Anonymous #5 12w

I don’t see any rage against the sharia law states globally that stone gay people to this day. There’s no point in being mad about stuff that happened in the past, it’s stopped and you can’t change what happened.

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Anonymous #3 12w

You don’t see any rage about that? Lmao you’re living under a rock and have never talked to a gay person ever

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Anonymous #3 12w

Also Christian attacks on gay people absolutely have not stopped. Period end of story. Look up the statistics for homeless, suicidal, etc. LGBTQ+ youths. So much of that goes back to not being accepted/being attacked by “Christians.”

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Anonymous OP 12w

Not being accepted isn’t the same as being attacked. The Bible is clear we shouldn’t “attack” others for their sin but that doesn’t mean it should be ignored either. Telling someone they’re doing something sinful is not an attack, it’s necessary. We do that with tons of other behavior that’s sinful as well.

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Anonymous #4 12w

We’re all born with sinful tendencies, gay or not, and these do send us to hell. We naturally all do terrible things. So yes you’re correct without God there is no hope and we are all dead in sin

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Anonymous #3 12w

Oh fuck off yes it is. “You’re going to hell because of this unchangeable attraction that you’ve since birth” is an attack, fuck off

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Anonymous #3 12w

So fun fact about me, I’m atheist. I have my own morality that doesn’t come from God. We don’t need God to know what being a good person id

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Anonymous OP 12w

If someone is a kleptomaniac is it ok for me to tell them their natural desire is absolutely not ok and will send them to hell if they don’t repent?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Again, those two things aren’t comparable, don’t be purposefully obtuse

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Anonymous #3 12w

you don’t see rage against sharia law bc again you don’t live in a region where it’s a predominate belief. stop using other religions as an excuse to be a bigot.

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Anonymous OP 12w

How odd that every argument isn’t acceptable. It’s almost like it’s basic logic that just because something is natural doesn’t make it ok like come on.

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Anonymous #3 12w

See what i mean, OP? Unreasonable

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Anonymous #3 12w

No, basic logic says that homosexuality is harmless, and that fucking kleptomania is harmful. Don’t be stupid

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Anonymous OP 12w

If humans are overgrown monkeys why can’t we rape and kill? If humans are naturally moral, how did so many human societies for years before Christianity participate in widespread child sacrifice?

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Anonymous #3 12w

If Christian’s are naturally moral why are so many priests and Christians child molester?

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Anonymous #4 12w

You can’t just say unreasonable so you don’t have to engage with the argument

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Anonymous #3 12w

I can. I just did

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Anonymous #3 12w

You are unreasonable. I advise you actually talk to a gay person for once in your life

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Anonymous #3 12w

homosexuality was never stated as a sin in the original holy text. it became that way through purposeful mistranslation. the actual verse was about pedophilia. you “christians” don’t know jack shit about christianity yet use it to shit on people

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Anonymous OP 12w

Don't advise them to do that. They'll just say they're going to hell if they don't closet themselves

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Anonymous OP 12w

I have, I’ve had many gay friends for many years of my life. I don’t hate gay people, as Christians we are to love them and that’s exactly what I do. But loving someone doesn’t mean approving of every choice they make.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Seems pretty unreasonable to me to dismiss a good faith argument

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Anonymous #3 12w

“Choice” homosexuality isn’t a choice dumbass

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Anonymous #3 12w

I doubt that those gay people consider you their friend back

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Anonymous #3 12w

I do not care at all

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Anonymous OP 12w

It is a choice to act on your desires. Most people struggle with lust, and it is just as much of a choice for a straight person to act on lust. You’re right that we can’t change our desires, but that doesn’t necessarily give us the right to act on them.

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Anonymous #3 12w

So i was right then

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Anonymous #4 12w

Closet yourself or go to hell. Or have as much gay sex as you want and repent, but you have to mean it or you go to hell anyway

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Anonymous #3 12w

So hang on. Your advice to me, a gay person, would be to either remain without a partner for the rest of my life or force myself into a loveless marriage with someone I am not attracted to. Those are my options. Sincerely. Fuck. Off.

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Anonymous OP 12w

You can make that assumption. It’s just completely unfair that people tell Christians they have to make friends with gay people and when I tell you I have, you don’t believe me. I have friends who are gay, bi, nonbinary, and asexual.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Do you tell them they're going to hell?

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Anonymous OP 12w

God can change people’s desires, or he calls some to singleness as well. There are many testimonies of people who previously identified as gay who became Christian and found their desires changed. No I don’t think anyone should be in a loveless sexless marriage. Have never said that.

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Anonymous #4 12w

They know my religious convictions yes. But I still treat them with love and respect in the same way that if I had a friend who was struggling with fornication or pornography I would tell them the truth but still love them through ut

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Anonymous #3 12w

Alright bud. Alright. Whatever god you believe in would absolutely support gay rights if he truly is kind and loving. But frankly, I don’t care, because you’re the worst kind of Christian, and I’d rather burn in Hell then spend an eternity in heaven with people like you

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Anonymous #3 12w

Thats not what i asked

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Anonymous #3 12w

Sure. The bible also says that if you have a rebellious kid you should stone them to death and I don’t see you advocating for that even though it’s in the bible

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Anonymous OP 12w

That’s a really sad choice to make. I’m genuinely sorry that you’ve been tricked into believing that true love means unconditional support and no accountability. Since God is truly kind and loving, he desires the best for us and the best for us is what he designed.

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Anonymous #6 12w

That is the Old Testament and we do not follow the ceremonial law from the Old Testament because much of it was intended to distinguish the Israelites from the people around them and because Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial law. However we still follow moral law from the OT.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’m really sorry that you believe that love excludes gay people. I don’t care what you say it is, from my position, your “love” is hatred in disguise. Intent matters less than impact, and your impact is very harmful. You are ridiculous

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Anonymous #3 12w

And that’s what we call “cherry picking”

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Anonymous #4 12w

Yes they know that I do not approve of their choices. I don’t know why it’s so hard for you to understand that people can be friends with people different from them and that I as a Christian can still show them love.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Showing love is not the same as loving. You don't love them for who they are because who they are is against God's design. I hope they see that soon

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s not cherry picking I just told you the theological basis for why we don’t follow those anymore.

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Anonymous #4 12w

As long as they don't act on it right? How loving

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Anonymous #4 12w

Again, wasn't what i asked

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Anonymous OP 12w

I’ve never said that. God and myself both desire the best for every single person. But if, for example, my son or friend is making bad choices that will hurt them in the long run and are morally wrong, I’d be wrong to not tell them right?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Frankly dude I don’t care. Go support the Westbrook Baptist Church or whatever you want. You’ll go to Hell for it anyway

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Anonymous #4 12w

Yeah I mean that is the rule. Our sinful desire is a result of the fall of man and God can aid those or take them away if he desires, or sometimes it’s just something we struggle with for life. But what we can control is our choices so we are expected to make the right choice no matter what we desire.

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Anonymous OP 12w

*westboro

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah dude i'll just be a eunuch. What a choice i've been given!

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s really frustrating when my beliefs are constantly caricatured and misrepresented, and after I correct you, I am completely dismissed and insulted constantly. It’s very rude and immature.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Awwww you’re feeling misrepresented dismissed and insulted? Welcome to the club.

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Anonymous #4 12w

What a loving God, making sure i'm lonely for the rest of my life his church criminalizes and demonizes me for what I am

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Anonymous #4 12w

I didn’t say eunuch, that requires castration traditionally, but yes consecrated singleness or marriage if God changes your desires.

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Anonymous OP 12w

“We don’t listen to the Old Testament unless we do”

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Anonymous #6 12w

Also brother. For a guy who’s churches have a strikingly large rate of child sexual abuse, I think you have bigger moral issues to deal with than being worried about gay people

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Anonymous #3 12w

Look man. The issue with your version of love is that is lacks basic empathy. You assume that your version of the world is correct and you insist on making others conform to it at their own detriment. You lack empathy, and to me, that is not and will never be love

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Anonymous #3 12w

What love I feel. I've never felt love like this. You've successfully changed my mind

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Anonymous #4 12w

I wish you could listen to yourself 💀

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Anonymous OP 12w

They think they ARE being empathetic. That life in heaven will be so so much better than engaging in homosexual activity on earth, you just don't know any better. Its insane

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Anonymous #2 12w

I’m not being cruel at all. I’m simply saying that what they’re doing is sinful. In the same way that I and many others struggle with sin. The only reason this one is “singled out” is because it’s widely celebrated in society, unlike other sins like murder and lying.

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Anonymous OP 12w

There are way more public school teachers that molested children like it’s not even close. And those people were sinful as well. I don’t get why you think this is a gotcha. I never said Christians are naturally moral. We learn morality from God and He helps us to be more obedient. To be clear: every single person even Christians are naturally sinful.

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Anonymous #6 12w

Why not be worried about both? And I’m a woman by the way. Both of these sins are egregious and should be condemned.

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Anonymous OP 12w

I think you’re conflating empathy with acceptance. I can be empathetic with gay people. I am not gay, but I struggle with sin in the same way they and everyone else do. But my empathy for them in their struggle does not mean I have to accept their actions.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Yeah heaven is actually so much better than sin. Don’t get what point you’re trying to make. All sin feels good to us on earth, that’s why we do it. But something feeling right doesn’t make it ok, and we find fullness of joy in God’s plan for us, which is fulfilled in heaven.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Jesus I forget how much y'all actually believe in this stuff and its really sad. The promise of an eternal reward by making yourself worthy of God's presence by denying yourself natural acts of love, the desire for which which he forced on you. I genuinely pity you and its funny because i know uou pity me because you genuinely believe in hell. Its only ever been described as the absence of God and if he made me in a way that i should deny myself love then it doesn't sound that bad actually

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Anonymous #4 12w

Woah huge correction here - we cannot ever make ourselves worthy of God. Ever. The grace we do receive that helps us to obey we receive by faith. Nothing we do gets us into heaven. But true faith requires repentance and that’s why I as a Christian cannot condone sin. He told us to deny ourselves daily. It’s a hard teaching, but it’s part of it and it’s for our good.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Then what is hell?

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Anonymous #4 12w

Hell is for those unrepentant of sin who have rejected God with their actions throughout their whole lives. It’s the just punishment. If you choose to live your life separate from God, he respects that choice in the afterlife as well. But since God is all things good, being outside of his presence is inherently punishment

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Anonymous #3 12w

The idea that LGBTQ+ is “widely celebrated” is a crazy take given the political climate of America, not to mention the world

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Anonymous OP 12w

Are you insane? I just had a comment removed for listing Bible verses that clearly make my point. I clearly do not have the crowd on my side, we both know this. Good luck finding one famous person or corporation that shares my views and hasn’t been publicly shamed.

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Anonymous #3 12w

God, don't remind me of the black and white thinking of the church, the horrors

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Anonymous #3 12w

Anyway creating a "punishment" that literally removes you from your creator entirely is literally deeming you unworthy of his presence. He chooses that for you. What love

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Anonymous #3 12w

Are you insane considering that dozens of countries still have the health penalty for homosexuality, that the president of the US is a sworn antagonist to the LGBTQ+ community, that essentially zero corporations this year have celebrated pride, that pride is still being questioned to this day as unnecessary, that trans people still have a life expectancy of 30, that people like you exist who believe they are not doing harm? Seriously?

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Anonymous #4 12w

*the death penalty

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Anonymous #4 12w

We are unworthy of his presence because of our own choices. We choose evil and since he is perfectly good he cannot be around evil, he is too holy. He doesn’t choose it for us, it comes from our choices of evil.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Trump has no problem with gay people. He has issues with trans children. I’m not saying there is nobody against it, obviously I am. But I wouldn’t say Trump is severely against it, most adults aren’t against it, and corporations certainly are super woke. How else would I have to worry about my comments getting taken down for just stating what my religion believes.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Saying more straight people have HIV is misconstrues the data. Gay people only make up 2% of the population so of course they have less overall cases of HIV. They do however make up 66-70% of new HIV cases.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Damn good job responding to every one of my points

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Anonymous #1 12w

Ignore the ‘is’*

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Anonymous #3 12w

Because your comment and your religion are *homophobic*

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Anonymous #1 12w

Also that is only gay men. Not gay people.

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Anonymous OP 12w

If you believe in evolution then isn’t it true that homosexual relationships are pointless since they cannot reproduce? And look at the per capita. It is striking. Way more STD’s because, even if it “comes naturally” to someone, the act itself is in nature not supposed to happen so yeah there are consequences of that medically. Look at fecal incontinence too

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Anonymous #3 12w

No, actually, studies believe that homosexuality is an important factor in limiting overpopulation. Also fuck off, anal sex is not limited nor equivalent to homosexuality

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Anonymous #2 12w

This isnt hate. There are all kinds of passages in the Bible that tell us how to judge righteously. The passage about casting the first stone is saying we should not be hypocritical judgers and I completely agree with that. I’ve said many times how we are all sinful and in need of God’s grace. But unfortunately this is a sin that is widely accepted and that needs to be pushed back against.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Also wait you don’t believe in evolution? Your points are moot bc you have zero proper education

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Anonymous #3 12w

I don’t CARE about the Bible dude. I’m not religious. Stop hating on people for your own personal choice of religion.

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Anonymous OP 12w

What? I said “if you believe in evolution” talking about you. I didn’t say anything about my personal beliefs. Don’t dodge my point like that. If we are just monkeys, then rape should be ok because it’s completely natural and gay relationships are pointless.

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Anonymous #3 12w

So you fundamentally don’t understand what evolution is if you believe we are “just monkeys” lmaooooo

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Anonymous OP 12w

I’m telling you how it isn’t hateful. You can’t constantly fling insults at my religion and strawman it and when I try to correct you tell me you don’t care. I’ve never hated on a gay person. I’ve said they are making sinful choices in the same way that I too make sinful choices all the time. But that doesn’t mean I or them should ignore our sin. All should be acknowledged.

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Anonymous OP 12w

I do understand what evolution is, I’m not stupid. But if we are just primates that evolved super far, where does morality begin? We don’t expect monkeys not to rape each other. And at some point you think humans came up with morality and it became wrong at some point.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Let me break this down for you. What you are doing is not love. Telling someone that a core, harmless, unchangeable facet of them that they’ve had since birth is inherently wrong and that they are going to burn in Hell for it is not love. It is harmful. I don’t care what you think it is. I am telling you how it is perceived. Period. End of story.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, I do think that once humans developed a prefrontal cortex and whatnot, morality developed. Mesopotamians had morality against theft and murder.

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Anonymous OP 12w

And I’m telling you that your idea of what love is is wrong. Love entails accountability and correction when necessary. What is unchangeable is the attractions that someone may feel. That is subconscious. However, acting on those attractions is the sin. In the same way it is totally natural for me to be attracted to my boyfriend but we are not married so there are boundaries with my actions. Being told that you sin is hard to hear, we all are resistant to accepting it, but it is no less true.

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Anonymous OP 12w

So the groups of humans that sacrificed babies a couple hundred years ago were underdeveloped? Has our prefrontal cortex developed since slavery and that told us it was wrong? This is a crazy take.

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Anonymous #3 12w

But I’m not religious. Telling innocent people who do not subscribe to your choice of belief that they are damned and doomed is hurtful and evil and wrong. And all of this circles back to the fact that religion is a private choice that should not be shoved down people’s throats.

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s wrong of me to correct you on my religion’s teaching after you speak for it incorrectly? All my comment had was verses that are clear on the issue after many misquoted and incorrectly said this was added later or something.

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Anonymous #3 12w

So your take is that the Bible prescribes morality? The Bible which condones and encourages slavery and genocide? Ofc morality doesn’t spawn in overnight. It develops with society, but religion is not society

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Anonymous #3 12w

You’re not the victim here babe 😁

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Anonymous OP 12w

So why is someone else’s lack of religion being shoved down my throat in posts like these?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Because I’m defending a marginalized group of people. And YOU don’t need to respond. You seem like you’re getting a bit heated

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Anonymous OP 12w

Religion is not society? Religion is like a core cultural aspect of society. It doesn’t biologically develop or else every people group would have the same ideas of morality, but we see that isn’t true because there were some brutal practices globally before Christianity

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Anonymous #3 12w

And with Christianity (crusades, homophobia, transphobia, protesting at militaries, etc)

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Anonymous OP 12w

Yes I’m tired of being constantly attacked for my religion and being strawmanned and not allowed to correct myself or else my comments get removed.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Your religion is not who you are. It’s a choice you make, no more important than your hair color

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Anonymous OP 12w

I dare you to say that to anyone besides a Christian. This is so insulting. Somehow someone’s sexuality is central to them, but someone’s morality and spiritual beliefs are completely unimportant according to you. Unbelievable.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’ll tell any religious person that babes, you’re not a victim

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Anonymous #3 12w

Sexuality is not a choice. Religion is

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Anonymous OP 12w

I’m sure you would tell a Hindu or a Muslim that their religion is completely unimportant. That’s convenient to say right now.

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Anonymous OP 12w

How many times do I have to clarify to you that we are not talking about the attractions someone feels but the actions they take in response to it

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Anonymous #3 12w

To me those are one and the same

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Anonymous #3 12w

Hindu, no, bc that’s a thing called an ethnic religion. Muslim, yes. Jew, no. Atheist, yes.

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Anonymous OP 12w

It takes self control to stop one from turning into the other, and self control is a fruit of the spirit. Jesus tells us to deny ourselves daily and follow him. Self denial is a big part of the religion.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Except I’m not religious, why should I care?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Because you’re spreading false information about what Christianity teaches and you’re being very hateful. You don’t care about being educated about the religion you’re speaking on behalf of?

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Anonymous #3 12w

You’re being very hateful first diva. All I said from the start was that if you are against gay people, you are stupid cruel and wrong

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Anonymous OP 12w

I haven’t hated anyone. All I’ve done is disapprove of someone’s actions. This is the bait and switch all the liberals pull as if thinking a bad action is being hateful

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Anonymous #3 12w

Lmaooooo now you’re generalizing all liberals. Should’ve known you were conservative. Lack of education shows clearly.

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Anonymous OP 12w

It’s true! It’s all over the place. Let me ask directly, is thinking someone did something wrong the same as hating them?

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Anonymous OP 12w

And please don’t call me uneducated, not to brag but since you brought it up I have a full ride, 4.0, and perfect on the ACT. So don’t call me dumb or “uneducated” just because I don’t agree with you.

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Anonymous #3 12w

No if it’s something actually harmful, which homosexuality is not

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Anonymous #3 12w

Lmaoooo ok bud

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Anonymous OP 12w

So it’s hateful if I say someone did something wrong if they don’t believe the thing was harmful? What if they’re wrong about it being harmful and that’s why I think what they did is wrong?

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’m done with this convo. I have a real life that I need to attend to, and a boyfriend who I love very dearly who I need to FaceTime

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Anonymous OP 12w

Well that’s great for you. Have a great day and try not to be so close minded and write everyone off as hateful, it won’t do you well. True love does not let someone stay in sin. God bless

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Anonymous #3 12w

Try not to be so close minded yourself and understand that you might be wrong sometimes, because your religion is not a blanket that shields you from incorrect and harmful thoughts

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Anonymous #3 12w

(By the way, I had a gay priest help me out immensely as a child. He’s now helping female refugees. He ain’t going to Hell, and if he is, Heaven is a scummy place and God is a scummy being)

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Anonymous #7 12w

So, judge people who have gay sex, sure, whatever, sinning, boo hoo. But be aware that, according to the catechism, they’re sinning in the same way as straight people having premarital sex. Or *anyone* using condoms or on birth control. If you’re gonna be homophobic, be condom-phobic too, by the same laws.

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Anonymous #7 12w

This is obviously two different things. One, the Catholic Church absolutely condemns homosexuality (see CC 2357 calls it “intrinsically disordered”) and on the topic of contraception, sure they’re both mortal sins but contraception’s morality is disagreed upon by all Christians, this has not ever been the case for homosexuality historically.

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Anonymous #3 12w

what are you talking about? the whole “unity of man and woman” thing is there obviously, but that doesn’t make anything a sin, or the business of others. there are plenty of denominations that are accepting too, Christianity is nowhere close to united in homophobia.

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Anonymous #3 12w

to relate more directly to cc 2357: Homosexual ACTS are defined as “sexual depravity”, because man/woman sex is more “natural”, and because they “close the sexual act to the gift of life”. Literally the same exact reasoning as why contraception is bad. again, specifically acts. This only condemns sex, not being gay.

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Anonymous #7 11w

Sure it says that feeling the attraction isn’t a sin because you can’t control that but you aren’t supposed to act on it in any way, so I dont get why this distinction is necessary. The denominations that are accepting right now just started that a couple decades ago when they started allowing female pastors. This ideology is nowhere found in historical Christianity and certainly not in Catholicism.

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Anonymous #3 11w

I’m making the distinction because I’ve seen a lot of people use “it’s a sin” as a thinly veiled “they’re weird and I don’t like them.” It also seems to be something people much more often attempt to apply to people outside of their religion. I’m saying people who hold especially strong anger or judgement towards gay people do not have an actual justification for that from christianity, and there’s not any reason for someone to condemn gay sex in particular over other sexual sins.

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Anonymous #7 11w

Sure, we should condemn all sin. The reason this one is singled out is because in my opinion it’s one of the only sins that is celebrated so widely in culture. Anyone being hateful towards someone else is always wrong, but the problem is everyone considers correction as hate nowadays, even if it’s done lovingly.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Sure, but “you shouldn’t be having sex” is almost never the message in the end, it usually ends up sounding more like “you’re unnatural and your relationship shouldn’t exist”. Hopefully you can understand how that feels hateful. But I’m also saying that being gay doesn’t need to factor into the conversation. “I want you to come to church with me” is also trying to change someone from sinning, without the accusation. Trying to correct sins without conversion first doesn’t help anyone.

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Anonymous #7 11w

Sure someone should convert first but don’t you sometimes do that by inviting them to church? And to be clear, it’s not just about not having sex. A gay romantic relationship is, in Catholicism, “intrinsically disordered” so yes the relationship shouldn’t exist and it says the desire itself (not just sex) is “objectively disordered” (CCC 2357-2358)

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Anonymous #3 11w

…do you not understand how that’s hateful? Especially to people who aren’t Christian. “My religion says you’re gross” is a pretty terrible way to convert anyone, even though that’s true. There’s not really any reason to even have the conversation with them if that’s where it’s going to go

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Anonymous #7 11w

You’re putting words in my mouth. But you’re trying to say Catholicism doesn’t see non sexual homosexuality as wrong, and that’s incorrect. And I agreed that conversion must come before any attempt to repent from sin because that only happens through the Holy Spirit. If I was to tell someone they’re sinning, I definitely wouldn’t say it like that and I would make it clear that every single person sins, we just all struggle with different things. Definitely wouldn’t use the word “gross”

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Anonymous #3 11w

I’m saying that a relationship isn’t considered a sin as it isn’t an action, even though the church says it’s “intrinsically disordered”, which I would argue is just fancy church speak for weird or gross. And again, the problem here is that that is the message pushed outside the Christian community instead of “repentance” or whatever. People don’t like when others try to govern their actions based on rules they don’t follow, and like it even less when it’s things that aren’t even actions.

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