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christians try not to defend slavery challenge: LEVEL IMPOSSIBLE

Anonymous 4d

huh??? this must be an original experience because i’ve never heard of that

Anonymous 4d

Hwat? 😭

Anonymous 3d

I think people forget that the Bible is thousands of years old and doesn’t include the complete history of the world. Things could be mistranslated/manipulated to fit certain agendas and rules could have been made in response to other situations that aren’t even mentioned in the Bible. Without a 100% accurate translation and complete world history of everything going on on the planet during biblical times, there’s no way we could understand a fraction of what some giant omnipotent god is doing.

Anonymous 4d

if you’re atheist, what moral framework do you even have to say ANYTHING is wrong? lol. isn’t that like the biggest flaw of moral relativism? also Christians ended slavery in the West and imposed that on the rest of the world hahahah

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Anonymous

#1 4d

Crazy right

Anonymous

OP 4d

No, I mean, wdym.

Anonymous

#1 4d

what confuses you

Anonymous

#2 4d

Bro is surprised people have thoughts outside of fandom

Anonymous

#2 4d

Some of us have something called a conscience believe it or not

Anonymous

#4 4d

yeah where do u think u got it from lmao

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Anonymous

#3 4d

This is all I experience bro lmao

Anonymous

#2 4d

There are literally still letters today that you can go see in museums of christians writing to their senators asking them to reverse the slavery laws because God told them they could have slaves.

Anonymous

#2 4d

Your entire moral framework is obedience. If God said that rape was moral, would it be moral, yes or no?

Anonymous

OP 4d

Christianity has been used to wrongfully justify plenty of things. Your arguments here thoroughly refuted thousands of times u goober. also, God would never say rape is moral 🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️🙅‍♂️ try again

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Anonymous

#2 4d

Not a yes or no try again. So it’s okay that a lot of christians fought for slavery because you don’t care that they did lmao

Anonymous

OP 4d

false dichotomy fallacy!!! i won’t play ur games atheist chud goodbye

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Anonymous

#2 4d

You know, if I was wrong, answering this question would prove it. But I knew you couldn’t lol. Keep defending the christians who fought to keep and own slaves!

Anonymous

#2 4d

The fuck are you saying. Talk like a human please

Anonymous

#2 4d

Not christianity LMAO. Delusionallll

Anonymous

#4 4d

“ha you won’t get me to admit that you’re right!” ahh type comment bro lmao

Anonymous

#5 3d

Slavery is bad, no argument there. If there is an omnipotent god or some celestial being in the sky, it makes me think of like a principal of a school. One class is doing something bad and so a new rule is made throughout the entire school to prevent that thing from happening in other classes. The other classes don’t know what happened but are told to follow this new rule anyway. That’s the only way I can view the situation since so much of the New Testament contradicts the rules of the Old.

Anonymous

#5 3d

“Somehow every single one of the thousands of people who studied and deciphered ancient languages in multiple societies around the planet are wrong about the meaning of words built specifically for humans to understand and use”

Anonymous

#5 3d

This is a terrible justification for God telling people to own chattel slaves.

Anonymous

OP 3d

I’m not saying every single one was wrong, I’m just saying that all it takes is one mistranslated/misinterpreted wordto completely change the meaning of something. The Hebrew language itself almost went extinct because it was merging with other languages like German and Polish. The Hebrew alphabet today was re-made by a man within the past 100 years because of how much was lost. Languages can die out entirely and there are some languages that we can’t decipher on the oldest relics on the planet.

Anonymous

#5 3d

That’s severely untrue. It’s completely possible and normal for groups worldwide to study the same thing all at once in congruence with archaeologists, scientists, language experts, historians, etc. This is the equivalent of saying that we don’t know what the word God really means because what if 1 iteration of the word doesn’t match the thousands of people who’ve already confirmed the word means this specific thing

Anonymous

OP 3d

You’re right, it is possible for groups to study the same things worldwide and come to the same conclusions. But unless the information is described in detail in its original form in a way that can be completely understood by us in the future as well as the people in the past, human error is a valid possibility. And there are so many different versions of the Bible that have changed over time and with different denominations. No one will ever agree on one perfect Bible.

Anonymous

#5 3d

Christianity itself is a different interpretation of history compared to Islam and Judaism. All three came from the same god, but Judaism claims Jesus was a heretic, Christianity says Jesus is the savior of legend, and Islam says Jesus wasn’t the messiah. Each religion claims to be the right one but a matter of opinion is what caused the 1 to branch into 3. And then Christianity branched out into multiple denominations who all claim to be the right one.

Anonymous

#5 3d

This is in reference to slavery. The concept and the verbiage of slavery existed outside of christian doctrine, groups that spoke that societies language wrote that down. What’s your evidence they’re wrong?

Anonymous

OP 3d

Just to make sure we’re on the same page: you’re saying this is about slavery in history in general, then from an outside perspective would it not make sense that the OT would support slavery? People and culture influence the beliefs of each other, so if slavery is a popular thing and religious officials wanted to say that slavery was okay, wouldn’t it make sense that there would be an opportunity for them to insert their own interests rather than the interests of a mythical god?

Anonymous

#5 3d

I’m saying that the way slavery is described in scripture and the verses where God explicitly commands others to own people as property without those people’s consent is not up for debate

Anonymous

OP 3d

So does that mean what the Quran says isn’t up for debate either? Or the Talmud? They all claim that god is saying something different on different topics but they’re all from the same god so how can they all be contradictory to each other? If the religious leaders from the start were corrupt and insert self interest then of course the Bible is going to claim god said slavery was okay. And we’ll never know for sure because god didn’t proof-read the Talmud or smite the people that got it wrong.

Anonymous

#5 3d

You seem to be confused, yes or no do you acknowledge that the word slavery can be studied and be accurate to the intention of the word? As a concept: Do you acknowledge that?

Anonymous

OP 3d

You’re asking for an acknowledgment of whether or not a word is used and using that answer to say the entire religion is bad but you’re not including context. Yes, the word can be studied. Slavery is bad and the OT says in certain circumstances that it isn’t. You’re right, but you’re claiming that there is no such thing as human error or self-interest when religion seems to be human error and self-interest itself. Do you think that completely pure people were taking orders from a god?

Anonymous

#5 3d

Show me when I claimed there’s no such thing as human error.

Anonymous

OP 3d

The comment about translations and the thousand people that studied biblical texts. If you think that none of those people could make even the slightest mistake or flaw that went under the radar over thousands of years and thousands of translations and thousands of different versions and denominations then you’re saying that there isn’t a possibility of human error when mathematically there had to have been some sort of error in one way or another however insignificant.

Anonymous

#5 3d

Yes, you can study the word slavery, but you’re saying that if one thing can be made certain then the entire thing and all its context has to be certain as well when there are verses and texts still up for debate today.

Anonymous

#5 3d

I guess I’m just trying to figure out where the sense of victory is by saying Christians defend slavery when the book they’re defending is basically just an opinionated history book with rules for a society that’s evolved and changed so much that the majority of the rules aren’t taken seriously by Christians anyway.

Anonymous

#5 3d

No no, I said to show me when that’s what I claimed. Not what you chose to intentionally misrepresent

Anonymous

OP 3d

How am I misrepresenting what you said? You made it clear that my idea that something could be mistranslated or misinterpreted over the thousands of years was a terrible excuse. If there is no possible way for the Bible to be misinterpreted or mistranslated, you’re saying that there was no possible error. It’s impossible that the humans who wrote it and translated it/interpreted it were wrong. That’s what your argument was against my point.

Anonymous

#5 3d

I actually asked you if you had any evidence that it had been misinterpreted or mistranslated. You can’t rely on the “you made it clear” argument because then I can just as easily say “you made it clear you support slavery when you went out of your way to justify so and so”

Anonymous

OP 3d

It won’t let me copy and past your comment so I paraphrased. You knew the comment I meant and can go back and read it unless you deleted it. The various editions of the Bible all have different examples of misinterpretations as well as different books added or taken out. The KJV used to have the apocrypha in it during the time of the witch trials, the Catholic Bible has extra books in it that other denominations don’t consider biblically accurate, etc. What Bible are you wanting evidence for?

Anonymous

#5 3d

So to be clear, I never said it’s impossible for humans to have errors? And you just claimed I did fully knowing I never said that?

Anonymous

OP 3d

No but you made the comment sarcastic and vague enough so that you wouldn’t have to take responsibility of it later. Noted.

Anonymous

#5 3d

I didn’t make any comment sarcastic. Thanks for also assuming my intentions with no proof! If you’re not willing to be civil I’m not sure why you chose to engage at all. I’m happy to purely talk scripture and why you’re wrong but you want to add in these little character assumptions and misrepresentations of my comments

Anonymous

OP 3d

I have been civil, you on the other hand claim you want to talk scripture but focus specifically on one religion’s beliefs rather than the religion that created multiple religions. You claim Christians defend slavery because of the Old Testament but not Judaism or Islam. Just Christians.

Anonymous

#5 3d

You’re cherry-picking religions which makes you doing exactly what certain sects of Christians do when they cherry pick the Bible for their own gain.

Anonymous

#5 3d

The topic is this one thing, I’m happy to move on once we finish talking about this one thing. What relevance does it have for you to try and paint me as sarcastic? Tell me the relevance to scripture that has.

Anonymous

#5 3d

You’re accusing me of random things because I’m staying on the subject?

Anonymous

OP 3d

You claim that I’m not being civil when you started the conversation in quotes about how thousands of translations can’t be wrong as a mockery of the idea I pitched as to why Christians might think the way they do. You started this conversation sarcastically and without civility. I’ve been civil this whole time and whenever you start to lose ground you change the topic to technicalities.

Anonymous

OP 3d

You’re not staying on subject- you’re not acknowledging or processing context.

Anonymous

OP 3d

You’ve gotten the answer you wanted this whole time- Old Testament says slavery bad and Christians bad for supporting it. But you’re not listening to anything outside your own personal mindset. Like Christians.

Anonymous

OP 3d

You wanted to pick a fight and when someone tried explaining why the situation isn’t black and white you decided to dig your heels because you can’t process the thought of being wrong.

Anonymous

#5 3d

back to the subject then! is it objectively good or bad to command owning people as property, without those people’s consent?

Anonymous

OP 3d

Yes, and that’s the answer that you’ve had this whole time. My explanation as to why they might think a certain way was in no way discounting your mission. Slavery bad. Shouldn’t be defended.

Anonymous

OP 3d

You choosing to cherry pick 1 religion when there’s 3 that follow the same Old Testament is also not okay. Bad. Shouldn’t be defended.

Anonymous

#5 3d

I asked is it GOOD OR BAD to TELL people to own slaves. Yes is not an answer

Anonymous

OP 3d

Yes it is bad.

Anonymous

OP 3d

The response to your post about the Christians try not to defend slavery challenge is that you’re a religious cherry picker like the slavery supporters when it comes to religions and their views on slavery.

Anonymous

#5 3d

You’re just as bad as the people in the religion who cherry pick their beliefs for their own gain/to make them feel better about themselves. You saying that Christians thinking slavery is okay is bad but won’t point out the rest of the religions that also follow the same doctrine.

Anonymous

#5 2d

So when God commands people to own people as property, without those people’s consent, you agree that was bad, yes or no?

Anonymous

OP 1d

Yes, for the 3rd or 4th time now, I agree that it was bad. Do you need me to repeat the answer again? Yes I agree it was bad, yes I agree it was bad, yes I agree it was bad. Can you only understand something that’s been stated over again? Your point has been made multiple times and I’m not disagreeing with you. But if you’re going to be an asshole to Christians about a topic from the same source material as 2 other religions and not include them, then you’re just as bad as the cherry pickers.

Anonymous

#5 1d

Yes or no- Judaism and Islam support the same sort of doctrine and you selected Christians specifically to start arguments.