
oh we are angry. we’re angrier than ppl citing RAINN stats (which are U.S.-based) while ignoring that gang rapes and grooming gangs committed/run by maladjusted PAKISTANIS in the UK are a symptom of a long-standing failed policy by the Labour government to care more about being PC than protecting Brits. the parents of these pieces of shit need to be prosecuted just as much as they should’ve for failing to assimilate and to teach their kids what is right from wrong.
One of the victims told the BBC that hearing the boys’ sentences “hit like a rock straight in my face. “He (the judge) almost made it seem as if what the boys did was not OK, but it was OK in the eyes of the law, because they were still children,” she said speaking anonymously. “What was the point in putting me through that?”
And it may not even be culture either. If we were to accept that there is hatred for the descendants of what mainstream considers colonizers, and the previous statement of the system is true, it could also be said that the opportunity to “get back” or to “oppress the oppressor” is available to those who think it is right or to those who in general have had a history of bad intentions.
“White people” are not a monolith either. Perhaps those involved in capturing land by force necessary in those times are colonizers, but I’m not going to expand that to every white person on the account of a nation or culture or relatives they happen to share in common. When we start treating people who share skin tone and/or cultural identity as a homogeneous negative and the system decides to enact “corrections”, you get what happened to Nowak.
I encourage you to listen to some of the witness testimonies read out by Lowe. Regardless of how you feel about that particular MP, if you accept that the testimonies are real, it becomes a necessary question of what regions whose values and behaviors whether desensitized to or normalized is most conducive to what is happening to those young girls.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just gonna add: how did the modern class systems develop? Because of systemic racism that put down and dehumanized and discriminated black and brown people. And then some white people get surprised “why can’t you pull yourselves up? Things are equal now and you should work harder” argument pmo
I would respectfully disagree but tweak what you said. Because looking at how history played out, systemic racism came about only when colonizers wanted to extract from other people and other lands by basically inventing racism and eugenics as a lame excuse to colonize. Don’t underestimate just how flourishing majority of the world was during the “Dark Ages” of Western Europe
I think you’re falling into a trap of saying the right thing is more important than doing the right thing. Which is kinda how we got to a space where not great people and literal abusers have been allowed to rise to power, even in progressive spaces. Learn the right words and you get support
I’m truly not. I think it’s easy to use words that can be co-opted by powerful groups and not necessarily realize the importance of using those words. Imagine how easy it would be if the US gov said Trans people need to assimilate to standard culture by not grooming kids. There’s no way that it would just include the prevention of that atrocity, it would impact their ability to be the gender they present as, their ability to live that way, etc. This is exactly what happened with the natives
not every aspect of a culture deserves a place in western society and civilization. assimilation doesn’t always mean everyone has to become protestant and eat turkey on thanksgiving in the U.S. sense. assimilation means aligning a certain set of a community’s moral values with that of the majority for the good of EVERYONE. in this case that means discarding outdated traditions that are problematic, not that no one can speak Urdu in public or practice Islam.
I’m not saying it does. I’m just saying it’s extremely important that you recognize calling for assimilation will not stop at just the sexual abuse thing. Assimilation historically has meant integration of the entire minority culture into the dominant culture, which includes things like language, fashion, etc. I actually just showed how assimilation has been a policy in the past and that’s how it’s been used. If the majority of X country’s culture is anti-brown, and you ask for assimilation-
for one, you don't need a dad to know what sex sounds like ding dong for two, it's a clear sign that the inbred abomination that shot his load into your sister-mother never loved you or his family, or else he wouldn't have let you become a little troglodyte... well with the exception of your sister-mother ofc
Slavery in the colonies wasn't even as bad when it first started. Most slaves were paid a very small wage and eventually earned enough to buy their freedom(and their children weren't born into slavery)... but things started getting worse after we formed the US, slaves we're treated more as property, and the slave trade skyrocketed. With a massive population, they started decreasing their rights to prevent the poor from realizing that they should ally themselves with slaves. It's capitalism.
not only did you make the assumption that i used “assimilation” in the maximalist context as you defined instead of cohesion with the dominant morals of society as a whole, you’re now also assuming that i’m racist against pakistanis as a whole…you and people who think like you — blinding yourself to reality with your word-salad laurels while lobbing assumptions left and right — are the reason MAGAts won and ACTUAL far right policies are being implemented everywhere, you genuinely make me sick
I didn’t assume you used it in that context. I just told you what the word means when applied to sociopolitical issues/topics. I do think you’re being racially biased. But that wasn’t my actual argument. All you did was choose to complain instead of actually addressing my argument. Which shows your capacity to think about this topic critically.
if you can’t understand that people are turned away by the idea of semantic lectures when the original topic was literally about the extreme and disproportionate levels of rape/sexual violence tolerance among a specific ethnic group (VASTLY different from native genocide, mind you), i don’t know what to tell you except go fuck yourself as rightoids continue to win elections and make all of our lives miserable
your argument is semantic noise. that’s all it is and all it does is provide you with a fake basis to shut down discussions about the potential harm that a specific demographic group’s beliefs could cause for society. you drew parallels between two completely unrelated (both chronologically and substantively) situations even while acknowledging that you didn’t think i used the word “assimilate” in that context. how do you expect me to take you seriously?
i advocate for the elimination of sexual and gender-based violence, PERIOD. this means calling out cultural practices that are incompatible with that end goal. if you want to give people a letter grade for how they express themselves EVEN KNOWING the context and that saying “rape culture is bad” is somehow racist, feel free.
“a certain set of the community’s moral values” NOT all of them. i’m a minority in the U.S. (and i’ve lived in the UK too) myself and i abhor the rapes, grooming gangs, etc. that statistics have SHOWN are committed disproportionately by pakistani individuals in the UK. i truly don’t give a fuck what you think about me if this is what you have a problem with me saying they need to ASSIMILATE away from.
I can’t tell if you’re choosing to be dense or if you’re just like this. the term is a policy position. You’re using it colloquially which isn’t how it’s used. You’re taking issue with me saying, you can advocate for no more sexual abuse from any group, without saying that your position is assimilation of different cultures to the “dominant/majority” one.
People look at modern issues and assume they've always been an issue, but society goes up and down, we gain some rights and lose some rights with large changes of power. Right now we are losing rights, so when this government collapses hopefully we will be better off than we are now. Fingers crossed for a communist revolution!
Forreal like if they even picked up a book or bare minimum watched an educational youtube video (UsefulCharts), they'd know that societies and civilizations of different Native Americans (which is an extremely broad "group" btw) were more advanced than what the bigots today and colonizers back then had thought. Meanwhile their western european ancestors were throwing literal shit and toilet water out of their windows at the same time period. Figures.