Anonymous #1 1w

no that’s fucking stupid, if you go far enough right you’re just a neonazi who hates Israel because it’s the Jewish state and they just hate Jewish people, and if you go far enough left you hate Israel because they are a racist Jewish supremacist settler colonial nation that is committing genocide. Horseshoe theory is not real it just justifies neoliberalism and status quo “oh you’re socialist that’s most of the way to nazi” like sure dude

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Anonymous #2 1w

You know the Nazis justify hating Jews because they are a “racist settler colonial nation that is committing genocide” right?

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Anonymous #1 1w

While far right is being Neo-nazi, the left hates Israel. Also, I don’t think it really is that political to dislike both. It’s pretty common to hate both amongst both parties (at least the citizens anyway, politicians are a different story)

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Anonymous #1 1w

The problem with this framing is that Israel is not a monolith representing the Jewish people, it is antisemitic to claim so, and as you’d expect antisemitic neonazis love equating the two

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Anonymous OP 1w

I don’t think it’s so clear cut, I wish it were something as simple as “the alt right hates Jews and the far left hates Israel.” It’s an undeniable fact that many on the far left don’t like Israel BECAUSE they are Jewish, there has also been a massive spike in primarily left wing violence against Jews. Not Israel or supporters of Israel, just Jews. And I have actually interacted with people on the alt right (trying to reason with them and convince them that hitler was actually bad.)

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Anonymous OP 1w

And they often say that they don’t have a problem with Jews ethnicity, they have a problem with “the outsized influence of Israel on western society.” Etc etc. as I said, horseshoe theory.

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Anonymous #2 1w

You’re correct, Israel is not a monolith of Jewish people. So how do you explain the rash of left wing attacks against uninvolved Jewish people and institutions? They aren’t attacking Israel as a political entity, they’re attacking Jews. That leads me to believe that they have a problem with Jews, not Israel. If someone says “I have a problem with how Rwanda is funding m23 to commit genocide in Congo.” then they go and attack a random black person,

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Anonymous #1 1w

I would suspect their motive isn’t really Rwanda. The same goes for the left’s “anti Zionism not antisemitism.” Line. If your movement says they just don’t like Israel, then burn down a random synagogue who has precisely zero involvement with Israel. I call bs on the title of “anti Zionism.”

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Anonymous #3 1w

Right to their homeland? Where is the Palestinian right to return? How can you possibly frame 60,000 murdered people, systematic eradication of hospitals and universities, or manufactured famine as self-defense? Does right to one’s homeland mean unlimited illegal and racist settler colonialism encroaching on the West Bank unabated? The answer to millennia of persecution is NOT the establishment of a violent ethnostate engaged in apartheid and genocide. Tell me what neonazi behavior looks like.

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Anonymous #1 1w

The left is not systematically attacking random Jewish people? And please tell me what synagogues have been burned down? Because I’m sure I can point out tens of mosques that have been bombed into oblivion by the Israeli state.

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Anonymous #2 1w

So the destruction of synagogues is justified by the actions of the Israeli state? And the ADL has a pretty good write up of the over 10,000 hate incidents directed at Jewish individuals and communities since Oct 7th, the majority of which came from left wing sources.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Where did I advocate for the destruction of synagogues? I literally just pointed out that Israel has burned and bombed many, many mosques when you pulled some hypothetical out of nowhere. Also, the modern ADL has lost all of its credibility, in recent years it has just been acting as a puppet of the Israeli state department. Yes there is real antisemitism rising, but you define any form of Pro-Palestinian sentiment as antisemitic yes of course you’re going to see an “uptick” on the left.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I was talking more about the over 2,000 separate instances of physical violence directed against Jews, but I suppose that’s a detail. What I was referring to is how you equate the destruction of mosques in Gaza with the attacks on synagogues in the West.

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Anonymous #2 1w

The question was if these attacks were anti Israel, or anti Jew. And you contended they were anti Israel. But if we work logically from the premise that these attacks were in response to the actions of Israel, we must conclude that the people who carried them out saw a direct link between the synagogue in front of them and Israel as a state.

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Anonymous #1 1w

And since the synagogues in question had nothing whatsoever to do with Israel as a secular entity, we must conclude that they saw some other line of connection. In this case they either attacked the synagogue because they saw Israel as Jewish, or they attacked because being Jewish makes you Israeli.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Both cases lead to the conclusion that these attacks are antisemitic, which disproves your original contention that the left hates Israel not Jews. If they just hated Israel then they wouldn’t attack synagogues as a proxy for Israel.

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Anonymous #1 1w

sorry what contemporary instances of leftists attacking synagogues as a proxy for Israel are you discussing here?

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Anonymous #2 1w

The left is not systematically carrying out attacks on Jewish people nor Jewish institutions in the name of anti-Israeli sentiment, but the right is and does daily, perpetuating racist caricatures and stereotypes and attacking Jewish people indiscriminately. The left does not hate Jewish people, the left hates the idea of an ethnostate and that is what Israel is seeking to be. The left hates imperialism and Israel is imperialist. The left hates genocide where the right loves genocide, and the

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Anonymous #2 1w

genocide ongoing is being perpetrated by the Israeli state. Israel loves to describe itself as the Jewish state and it presents itself as a monolith of Judaism everywhere to use as a shield, and claim victimhood when in reality they are the aggressive entity in the region. They love arguing for horseshoe theory, that nazis are just as bad as leftists, but the fundamentals are so different.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I don’t get why you are attached to the idea that the left hates Jewish people. When there were an aggressive entity committing genocide against the Jewish people, do you really think leftists loved that? No, but the far right sure did. It’s not about religious superiority or inferiority it’s about who’s getting killed, in what numbers, and by whom. Two years in you cannot tell me that Jewish people in the West are the real victims when Palestinians are being killed daily I don’t get your reason

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m not attached to “the idea that the left hates Jews.” Not institutionally at least, but neither does the right. I am attached to the use of my eyes and their ability to see a massive spike in antisemitism perpetrated by people on the left. It’s not that the left “systemically” hates Jewish people, just like the right doesn’t. But the crazy people on the far fringe both do, that’s undeniable. Hence horseshoe theory, if you go to the crazy fringe of either side you often find the same ideas

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’ll give an example where ideas which are considered “radical left” show up on the fringe right. Violent environmentalism, militant atheism, totalitarian internationalism, radical collectivism. Now do all radicals overlap? No, there are distinct forms of crazy on both sides. But someone ranting about “AIPAC controlling America” and how “Israel is committing genocide.” Is just as likely to be on the left as the right.

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Anonymous #2 1w

And your idea that “the left hates genocide while the right loves genocide.” Is honestly insane. You need to take a step back from the narrative you’re consuming and take a deep breath. That’s pure propaganda and you’re treating it like truth.

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