Anonymous #1 5w

And Why do I support what exactly? Are we talking about social policy? Economics? Immigration? Foreign policy? You’re going to have to be more specific.

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Anonymous #1 5w

i wouldn’t call “someone i don’t like” a fascist if they weren’t actively supporting and pushing for policies that promote fascism. some of the biggest policies being enacted right now are restricting personal freedoms (anti-trans legislation) and attacking the less fortunate (criminalizing homelessness). not to mention trump seems to believe he has the right to be fully above the law and give out executive orders left and right like a dictator, avoiding how a democracy actually works

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Anonymous #1 5w

now that you mention it, why do you support republicans social policy? if it’s not too much i’d also like your opinion on the genocide happening in gaza using american funding and weapons

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Anonymous #1 5w

also, how do you feel about how immigration is currently being handled, particularly with ICE detaining and deporting people at immigration hearings and even those with valid visas?

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Anonymous OP 5w

Alright, let’s start at the top. Do you actually know what fascism is? Because none of the things you just described promote fascism. Restricting the ability of men to take hormones and enter women’s spaces (dink and all) is not restricting freedom, it’s actually protecting women’s freedom. And homelessness is not being criminalized, it’s not a crime to not own a home. Creating massive, dangerous and unsanitary encampments in the middle of cities and endangering the entire population.

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Anonymous #1 5w

By doing so is already illegal, and should be. Once again I care more about the rights of the citizens not to be mugged, raped, or killed by the individuals who congregate in these camps. And they aren’t being rounded up and shot, they’re just being sent to holding facilities where they actually have better living conditions and the chance to receive treatment for the mental illness most of them suffer from.

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Anonymous #1 5w

And on the topic of executive orders. Trump is well within the trend of issuing increasing numbers of such orders started by notoriously hittlerian figure… Barack Obama (or as trump called him… Obamna) I’m being a tad sarcastic about Obamna’s political philosophy but the fact remains, executive orders are not fascist.

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Anonymous OP 5w

I support some republican social policies because I agree with them. I don’t agree with all of them as I am Catholic first and foremost, but Trump didn’t have an abortion truck outside his rally and Kamala did.

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Anonymous OP 5w

You’re being the question again. I don’t support a genocide in Gaza. Fortunately for me there is no genocide in Gaza. All the numbers, even the ones published by the psychopathic terrorist organization who runs the place (elected in a landslide by the way.). Supports the conclusion that this is simple urban warfare. And while I want the war to end and the innocent people there to be spared, I recognize that the onus for that is on Hamas, not the US.

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Anonymous #1 5w

these anti-trans laws that are supposedly “protecting women” are doing the exact opposite. women are being harassed for trying to use the bathroom because they don’t appear feminine enough. and men aren’t taking hormones to invade women’s spaces. trans women are women, and thus belong in women’s spaces. no man is going through the trouble of legally changing his name and gender and medically transitioning just to harass women. trans people are not even an enemy

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Anonymous OP 5w

Immigration is largely being handled well. Some mistakes are being made, but they are being corrected as well. The whole damn mess is the fault of the previous politicians who essentially kicked the can down the road for decades. Do I think every illegal should be shot over the border with an air cannon? No. Some have legitimate reasons to be here. Are most of them simply economic migrants? Yes, and they should have the law applied to them just like you and I would.

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Anonymous #1 5w

there IS a genocide in gaza, and everyone but the US government and those paid off by it and Israel have confirmed it. Israel is using the weapons our tax dollars supply to consistently bomb civilians, including children and journalists (which is a war crime btw), and are planning to wipe out the Palestinian state. the evidence is EVERYWHERE. saying there isn’t a genocide happening is ignorant

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Anonymous #1 5w

i agree that the law should apply to them, and most of them do follow the law. but still they are detained and deported for no reason by ICE agents who are actively breaking the law by refusing immigrants due process. the entire situation has been handled extremely poorly

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Anonymous OP 5w

I don’t think you’re doing this intentionally but you’ve entirely skipped my point. You’re free to disagree with me but you’ve utterly neglected to show how any of that is fascism. Actually on the topic of transgender I think Gentili would actually agree with YOU. But it’s late so I’ll type my response tomorrow.

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Anonymous #1 5w

my bad. as for the trump administration leaning into fascism, if we look at the policies the nazis enacted, they’re very, very similar. they attacked reproductive rights, queer rights, and immigrants’ rights. they intimidated political opponents. they spread propaganda and fearmongered, creating an “enemy” out of marginalized groups. for the nazis, it was jewish folks, queer people, and the mentally ill. now, it’s queer people (again), especially trans people and immigrants

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Anonymous #1 5w

the nazis had book burnings, we have book bans. not to mention nazis hated those who weren’t christian, and many republicans now are pushing for christian nationalism, which is mostly what’s driving the anti-queer movement. ICE is essentially the american gestapo, hunting down people to be detained and deported and stopping anyone who even looks hispanic. opinions are censored, and tourists from other countries who enjoyed a meme of the vice president are considered a foreign threat

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Anonymous #1 5w

they now want to monitor all of our social media and personal files on our devices before we can even leave the country. we are quickly sliding into a surveillance state where privacy is just a myth, if we’re not already living it

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Anonymous #1 5w

those who studied the nazi regime and even those who lived through it are seeing the signs and connecting the dots. history is repeating itself, and the world outside the US knows what our country is becoming

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Anonymous OP 5w

Once again you’re painting with WAY too broad a brush. Every restriction on “reproductive rights.” (Read the ability to kill children.). Is not Fascism, numerous moral systems reject the notion that a living human who is dependent on a mother can be terminated at any point. In fact the Nazis actually supported abortion on many grounds. Not believing in abortion is not a fascist position.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Opposition to “queer rights.” Is not a universally fascist concept either. Most human civilizations that have ever existed, or are currently existent, would be considered restrictive of “queer rights” as conceived by modern leftists. Once again Fascism has defined beliefs about things like this, but so does every other ideology. If “opposition to queer rights” makes you a fascist then Karl Marx was a fascist, as was Kant and Mohammed himself.

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Anonymous OP 5w

On the topic of Immigration. Saying “someone does not have the right to cross our border illegally, and if they do they should be deported.” Is not the same as “kill the subhumans.” Illegal immigrants are human beings, fundamentally equal to me in every way including being subject to the law. It’s not a violation of their right to deport them.

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Anonymous OP 5w

On the topic of political opponents. You can tell that Trump is not a fascist because if he were there would be a lot more democratic politicians taking swan dives off fifth story balconies. It’s not “intimidation.” To say “you are also subject to the law.” Or “you’re fired.” It’s intimidation to send men in black to opponents homes and “vaporize” them in the dead of night.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Trump is not spreading propaganda, nor fear mongering. You’re actually believing propaganda when you say they are. They aren’t creating an “enemy” out of marginalized groups. We don’t like the cultural aims of many of these “movements.” But you don’t like our aims either. Are you a fascist? Didn’t think so. Once again “trans women are just men with mental problems.” Is not equivalent to “kill the Jewish degenerates.” Disagreeing with the social aims of the LGBT++ movement is not fascism.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Wow that was a lot of claims in one post. For the record this style of argument you’re making is called a Gish Gallop, it’s a rhetorical tactic which tries to shut down an opponent by flooding them with false claims that require significantly more time to disprove than to make. To boil it down, you’re painting with the broadest possible brush to label everything you dislike Fascist without actually examining any single point in detail.

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Anonymous #1 5w

i’m not saying the country has 100% devolved into fascism yet, nor that we are following an exact copy of the nazi regime. only that we are following the patterns and experts on fascism (which i am not) are very, very concerned about the pattern here. and there IS fearmongering happening, with trump outright lying about things like immigrants attacking people and eating pets, as well as lying about the crime rate in DC and using it as an excuse to deploy the military on citizens

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Anonymous OP 5w

However I will go through each subsequent claim in rapid fire because I respect the time you took to type it out. Burning every copy of a book is not the same as preventing the distribution of sexually explicit material to children. The Nazis were actually violent anti Christians, most of the high ups were atheists, occultists, or pagans. Fascism is an Atheistic philosophy according to Giovanni Gentili.

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Anonymous #1 5w

even more concerning is arresting people for voicing their opinions, such as the case with mahmoud khalil. speaking out against israel is slowly becoming a crime, and entertainers like Stephen Colbert losing their funding just for disagreeing with the current administration. ofc we’re not executing people for their opinions but we certainly are trying to silence them

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Anonymous OP 5w

Christian nationalism is a far left boogeyman in the vein of project 2025 or trump running for a third term. ICE is just law enforcement, they take people who break the law to court or jail, though they sometimes make mistakes. The Gestapo were completely unaccountable secret police who operated outside the law, they took people from their homes for no reason and tortured or killed them regularly.

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Anonymous #1 5w

i’m not meaning to do any sort of tactic, just voicing my opinion and concerns. i don’t know anything about argumentative tactics or anything like that. and to my knowledge none of my claims have been false

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Anonymous #1 5w

isn’t that what ICE is doing though? they aren’t in uniform and they wear masks to drag people out of churches and schools, anywhere they can get them. hell, they’re even detaining them AT their immigration hearings. and they’re absolutely violating the law by refusing immigrants their due process rights

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Anonymous OP 5w

Opinions are not censored, you and I are having a conversation right now where you have called Trump a fascist at least 10 times. Do you fear a knock on your door at midnight? Didn’t think so. Tourists are generally not allowed to criticize the government of the country they are touring (try that shit in the EU.). And the US is still extremely open to that. Just don’t come here to try to influence our politics.

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Anonymous OP 5w

The monitoring problem started under Bush and was ramped up by notorious fascist… president Obamna. Privacy is not an anti fascist belief. Surveillance is not fascism. Communist China is the biggest surveillance state in history, it’s not fascist.

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Anonymous #1 5w

as for christian nationalism, many republicans ARE pushing for it. the people fighting against queer rights and reproductive rights are often doing so because it aligns with their religious beliefs. trump is an atheist, but he is using the fact that a lot of his fanbase are christian nationalists to his advantage by doing things like selling his own bibles. christian nationalism is also present in states that are requiring schools to display the ten commandments in each classroom

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Anonymous #1 5w

opinions are being censored in the media and during protests, not necessarily by casual word of mouth. like i said, not 100% fascist yet, but we’re heading in that direction, and many, many experts on this matter are concerned

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Anonymous OP 5w

Some people who studied the Nazi government are saying crazy shit. Some people who studied the USSR are saying the same thing, some people who studied the French revolution, Bronze Age collapse, American Civil War and the American revolution are all saying similar things, and have been since those events took place. You’re listening to alarmists because they confirm what you already believe. That’s natural, but it doesn’t make them correct.

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Anonymous OP 5w

In the very beginning of this conversation you said that Trump was an open Fascist, and by extension I was an open fascist. I think electing an open fascist might represent more than a concerning trend. Also those “experts”. Are the actual fear mongers, they are using your lack of understanding and their position of authority to scare you into doing what they want politically.

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Anonymous OP 5w

And illegal immigrants do in fact have a higher than average crime rate, and the “they’re eating the dogs.” Claim was based on real (though unverified.) police reports. And there is very strong evidence that the DC crime stats are manipulated. Also the president has the absolute authority to deploy the national guard to DC. It’s legally a federal city under the direct jurisdiction of the executive branch.

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Anonymous OP 5w

Mahmoud Khalil wasn’t arrested for criticizing Israel. He was arrested for lying on his visa and stirring up support for designated terrorist organizations. A foreign national does not have the right to attempt to garner support for foreign terrorists in the United States. His arrest was legal. Stephan Colbert wasn’t taken off the air for criticizing Trump, he was just losing the company tens of millions of dollars a year because his show wasn’t popular.

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Anonymous OP 5w

And no. ICE is not taking people from their homes in the middle of the night and shooting them in the head. They aren’t torturing people either. And due process does not mean jury trail and a full court case. If the law says you can be deported after an immigration hearing, and you get that hearing, due process has been fulfilled. And yes, you can detain someone at an immigration hearing, just like you can at a regular court when they are found guilty.

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Anonymous OP 5w

And protests are not being censored, nor is the media. Where did you get that idea?

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