Anonymous #1 6w

So very genuinely, yes.

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Anonymous #2 6w

The former, I mostly see them contort arguments for the sake of preserving their religious views which, fair enough.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Oh then I agree with you, they always do that 🫩

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Anonymous #2 6w

I was talking with one here about a verse where God did something horrid, and they literally ended the conversation with me and accused me of strawmanning lol

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Anonymous #3 6w

If by magic stories you mean a supernatural aspect of reality, then you have to discount nearly every person who's ever lived. Secularism and materialism are very recent and minority positions.

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Anonymous #1 6w

i mean believing in magic stories where things appear out of thin air and people come back from the dead, yeah. fun stories but that’s all they are. not saying yall can’t have valid takes on other things but certain stuff makes it hard to argue w christians when i know that’s where your head is. idk why we’re talking about materialism though.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Ok, well if you accept the notion that an all powerful God exists who can do things like that, they don't seem as implausible. And yeah, naturalism probably would've been a better term to use than materialism.

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Anonymous #1 6w

yeahhh and i just can’t accept that, sorry. i’m sure you’re a cool person but the whole concept of religion weirds me out. i’ve spent too much time studying and learning the history of nature and the world to give credit to a guy in a story. best of luck

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Anonymous #3 6w

And those SAME people use their fictional story to control politics, laws, other real life important things to align with their delusionals...

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Anonymous #3 6w

Ok, you're free to hold that position, but you should acknowledge that you only accept the less than 1% of all human beings throughout history who hold to your specific naturalistic worldview, excluding those who built the modern sciences as well.

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Anonymous #2 6w

that’s the scary part to me 😭 christianity has a long history of forcing the world to fit into their (mostly outdated) views and it is scary to think about

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Anonymous #2 6w

You say it's fictional, but on what grounds? And which story exactly?

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Anonymous #1 6w

That’s actually not true. We can expect people to have existed based on the fact we’ve seen people exist millions of times. We have no evidence to suggest a God exists, even once.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Wait, I'm confused what you're responding to.

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Anonymous #1 6w

My bad. The notion of discounting other historical figures or “persons” that existed in that past

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Anonymous OP 6w

Oh. Well I think you may have misunderstood my point. What I'm saying is that if #2 can't take people seriously who hold to reality having a supernatural aspect, then they're saying that over 99% of humanity throughout all of history is untrustworthy. And if that's the case, what is it that makes them trustworthy?

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Anonymous #1 6w

Oh my bad then! I totally misunderstood

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Anonymous OP 6w

No worries! My goal is to show that #2's position calls their own trustworthiness into question, because if over 99% of humanity is untrustworthy, then the odds that they're trustworthy are pretty low. Also to hold that position and think yourself trustworthy is, in my opinion, a display of arrogance.

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Anonymous #1 6w

first of all, christians do nottt make up over 99% of humanity 😭 and i’m meaning that in the case of topics unrelating to religion, christians tend to allow their religious views to sway their opinion in a certain way and have a certain bias against others who do not think that way. so, yes, i am untrustworthy of someone who allows fantasy to get mixed up in their reality. this doesn’t mean im discounting everyone’s opinion just bc of their religious views. i’ve just seen a lot of extremes

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Anonymous #3 6w

I never said Christians, I said those who hold to reality having a supernatural aspect to it. Christians are one group of people who hold that, but not the only ones. Christians are not the only ones to act based off their worldview. Quite literally everyone does this. And these stories you reference as fictional, you're simply assuming that to be the case in this argument. I also specified that my reply was to #2. Now, if you agree with them, then it would also apply to you, but it was...

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Anonymous #1 6w

not directed at you specifically.

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Anonymous #6 6w

And I’ve never met a conservative who can give logical arguments for their political positions!

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Anonymous #5 6w

If you’d like you can DM me! Just to avoid the comment section blowing up people’s notifs

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Anonymous #1 6w

wouldn’t say it’s a minority position anymore. secular/materialism won the culture war, we may see a shift as our lives continue to deteriorate and people radicalize, but they definitely aren’t the “minority”

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Anonymous OP 6w

well it’s all value based. it’s why debate doesn’t work, you’re only going to win someone over to your side if you get them to change their values, which is near impossible since they’ve held them for decades. you’d have to introduce some trauma to shatter their entire worldview. not likely

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Anonymous OP 6w

well they’re not the biblical authority is the issue and that stance is taken by sola scriptura, when in reality it needs to be interpreted properly by the church

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