Anonymous og_beer 21h

They act like Canva isn’t an option or LITERALLY ANY OTHER EDITING SITE

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Anonymous #3 21h

GOOGLE DOCS BRO

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Anonymous #3 21h

LITERALLY ANYTHING

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Anonymous #6 20h

You can just not use the ai features

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Because its not accurate at all lol

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Also one single AI generation/search uses 50ml of water and it could use up to 282,135 gallons by 2028.

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Anonymous #1 20h

All US data centers use about 17 billion gallons of water yearly. US golf courses use 500+ billion gallons of water yearly. California’s almond industry uses 1-2 trillion gallons of water yearly. US corn irrigation uses tens of trillions of gallons of water yearly.

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Anonymous #5 20h

Why are you making excuses for data centers to be allowed to use our drinking water?

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Anonymous #1 20h

Pointing out scale isn’t the same as defending it

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Anonymous #1 20h

If someone is angry about data centers using 17 billion gallons/year but doesn’t care about golf courses using 500+ billion or agriculture using trillions, then the issue probably isn’t actually water usage

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Anonymous #5 20h

Why would I be angry about water being used for agriculture l since its being used to produce food?

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Anonymous #1 20h

Golf courses?

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Anonymous #5 20h

“Why are you mad the job stealing computers steal drinking water from drought prone areas instead of being mad that the food that keeps us alive takes water!!!!” Ok

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Anonymous og_beer 20h

You completely missed the point. Comparing scale isn’t saying “food bad”. It’s pointing out that people hyperfocus on AI while industries using orders of magnitude more water barely get mentioned.

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Anonymous #5 20h

ai: useless. golf courses: nuke them. agriculture: it’s food? like yes the systems need reform, but like mf that’s FOOD.

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Anonymous #7 20h

AI is already being used for cancer detection, medical imaging analysis, drug discovery, protein folding, stroke detection, fraud prevention, accessibility tools for disabled people, emergency dispatch triage, etc etc etc. I’m an EMT (the person who responds to 911 calls), a CS masters student, and work with dispatch centers optimizing stationing so I CAN RESPOND TO YOUR 911 CALLS FASTER BECAUSE OF AI

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Tf u mean why?

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Anonymous #8 20h

I want to hear people’s opinions?

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Anonymous #7 20h

Tf golf courses do 💔🥀

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Anonymous #9 20h

Golf courses should be illegal

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Anonymous #9 20h

Use 30x more water

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Anonymous #8 20h

I agree!

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Anonymous #5 20h

It’s also a giant patch of biodiversity and habitat loss replaced by an invasive species

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Anonymous #8 20h

Elaborate?

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Anonymous #8 20h

Where would ppl play golf 💔🥀. Bro just hates golf

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Anonymous #9 20h

Scotland, the only place on earth that naturally has the evironment for the sport

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Anonymous #9 20h

Devils advocate here golf courses provide better services than consumer generative ai data centers

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Anonymous og_beer 20h

I’d like the point you to the comment about cancer detection

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Anonymous #8 20h

We forcing everyone to go to Scotland for golf, tragic 💔🥀

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Anonymous #9 20h

Or just find smth fun to do that’s actually ethical in ur area

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Anonymous #8 20h

W #9

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Anonymous #8 20h

Can’t play any sports now cause the courts aren’t ethical. Our generation is cooked 💔🥀

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Anonymous #5 20h

I was gonna make a mean joke about ai brainrot being cancer but decided against it

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Anonymous og_beer 20h

Sorry I deleted my comment. Go ahead Can't save lives with increased cancer detection and 1/30th the water that gold courses use 💔 🥀

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Anonymous #5 20h

I’m not pro golf courses. I don’t think anyone who complains about ai data center water use are pro golf courses. It’s a nice strawman though

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Anonymous og_beer 20h

I’ve never heard someone complain about golf courses water use though

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Anonymous #5 20h

Also, there are significantly more golf courses in the world then data centers and have exsisted for decades longer. It’s an unfair comparison. Also, AI for medical use is only a small percentage of what it is being used for when we look at how the general public uses AI.

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Anonymous #5 20h

Congrats you just outed yourself for not going to environmental centered spaces while trying to argue for environmental concerns. People never shut up about them

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Anonymous #9 20h

Source?

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Anonymous #5 20h

the reason people are focusing on AI above the others you mentioned is because AI is at the cause of a lot of other problems that are only going to get worse if we do not put a stop to it now. the other issues are important, yes, but your entire argument falls under the red herring fallacy. AI is the priority atm - most people are capable of understanding congruent problems happen simultaneously, while also being able to focus on one problem at a time

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Anonymous og_beer 20h

Oh no I hate the environment, hence I use AI. But if people are concerned about AI’s water use, they should be more concerned about other things

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Anonymous #10 20h

Like what problems?

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Anonymous #5 20h

Just look up amount of golf courses in the world and amount of data centers in the world

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Anonymous #10 20h

personally idc about the water issues with golf courses and agriculture because flock cameras have made their way into my neighborhood and more data centers are being built all around my city, so THAT is my priority. i am still concerned about golf (i’ve been bitching about it for years) and agriculture (envs student who studies this in class) but i am much more immediately concerned about the flock camera that is pointed towards a children’s park, or the one pointing down my street

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Anonymous #10 20h

Oh yeah flock is abhorrent. Some high up C suite person said “we’ve never been hacked” as I watched someone do a speech from one of their cameras he got access too 😂

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Anonymous #5 19h

Quit being a shill for the environmental, ethical, mental health catastrophe that is generating AI. GPT isn’t the same as what’s used for cancer detection or accessibility, quit trying to frame it as such. There’s no reason to use shit like GPT. Fuck you.

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Anonymous #11 19h

Gpt helps my mental health

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Anonymous #5 19h

Is there a brain in that skull of yours?

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Anonymous #1 19h

I’m about to finish a masters so I like to think so?

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Anonymous #5 19h

No it does not, it feeds into what u say and answers only with what it thinks u want and not about any facts

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Anonymous #8 19h

So glad you know about my experiences, thanks

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Anonymous #5 19h

Yea somehow I doubt you’ll get very far

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Anonymous #5 19h

If you use chatgpt for it then you definitely do not have a brain. 😂😂😂😂

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Anonymous #8 19h

Don’t see why we have to personally attack people, I thought we were having a relatively productive conversation

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Anonymous #1 19h

Ok I’m not like an avid AI defender or anything, but not accurate at all is a reach lol unless you’re talking about certain math

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Anonymous #13 18h

So you've never seen Google's AI results not be accurate before? Highly doubt that.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Google ai is always perfect I have no idea what you mean

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Anonymous og_beer 18h

Google AI told me the last presidential assassination was James a Garfield in 1881

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It’s objectively not. It has been shown to make anxiety, depression, and psychosis worse. And had been caught telling people struggling with suicidal idealization to commit. Not to mention all that data and those chats can be used against you, esp legally, or potentially for jobs. Do NOT use ai.

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Anonymous #1 18h

Honestly, I don’t really look at the AI over view too much , but when I do, it’s pretty much accurate every time. I’m not saying it’s never wrong but I’m saying not accurate at all is just an exaggeration in my opinion

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Anonymous og_beer 18h

There are good and bad ways to use everything.

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Anonymous og_beer 18h

You say it’s been shown to make those things worse, but hasn’t really been around long enough for us to truly know that and can that be applied to everyone? And I’ve heard about that but let’s not use like a one in 1 million case to just make a blanket statement about it.

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Anonymous #13 18h

Would you continue using a therapist if you were told they encouraged a suicidal patient to do it?

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Anonymous #14 18h

I don’t think you realize how petty I am and am willing to go back to the stone ages to avoid it

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Anonymous og_beer 18h

Hey you do you I’m just saying it’s crucial in a lot of stuff including production of the device me and you are communicating with

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Anonymous #5 18h

I’m not taking golf slander seriously from someone who uses ai as their therapist smh

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Anonymous #5 17h

Whew, glad someone said it. Because there are much more pressing matters with AI USE. That being the energy cost and "DATA CENTERS". Now that's why you should be against the rapid expansion of AI growth.

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Anonymous #14 17h

Which you can easily avoid using

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Anonymous og_beer 17h

Better services to the upper class. I.e little to no benefit to the majority of Americans that reside in the U.S

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Anonymous #9 17h

Umm, you know mini golf places exist, like Top Golf. If anything, a full golf course is Boomer Coded. And you need to realize that most people can't even afford all the shii needed to go there. There are much better ways to enjoy golf now

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Anonymous #9 17h

Hmm, you should also look at what part of the public uses Golf Courses, (Oh yeah, that's the Upper Class that lives in country clubs talking about how rich they are and not giving a shiii about everyone else).

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Anonymous #1 17h

yk the great thing about water is it can be reused

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Anonymous #10 17h

But like, people are still focusing on the wrong thing. The main issue with AI data centers isn't the water usage, it's the creation of Data centers that create almost no jobs and raise the living cost around itself. As well as being a nuisance to the area

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Anonymous og_beer 17h

Okay now, I highly doubt you'll go all the way to the stone age now. But fair pt

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Anonymous #14 17h

Also, AI 100% is not crucial in a lot of modern technology. Companies are jsut going out of their way to justify the Immense amt of money they put into AI instead of saying "my bad" and stop making proprietary BS that needs AI use.

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 17h

But yes, there are "Some helpful" things that greatly benefit from the use of AI. Stuff like genome editing, and other medical research that is made mcuh more efficient when utilized alongside LICENSESD doctors, not some random person with little exp.

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 16h

Regular golf is a sport you know right? Golf is deeper then mini golf or country clubs.

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 16h

It absolutely does scientist and engineers have been building models with AI and running algorithms with them for years and statistically it’s made efficiency better

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Anonymous og_beer 16h

beer has water in it, boycott beer immediately

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Anonymous #17 16h

WOAH HEY

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Anonymous #17 16h

NO I LOVE BEER PLEASE

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Anonymous #5 16h

jagerbombs only

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Anonymous #17 16h

Upsetting news about jager and redbull there mate

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Anonymous #5 16h

You are an idiot. The data centers are for the other kind of AI. Also the detection and imaging analysis are extremely inaccurate. They tested well because of poor testing materials. Generative AI is what everyone hates. It's what takes water, it's what sells your data, it's what has massive data centers. Stop defending AI when we are clearly talking about different AIs

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Anonymous #18 16h

Is there anything I can say that would change your mind?

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Anonymous #18 16h

AI = Artificial Intelligence. all the same

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Anonymous og_beer 16h

my favorite german and austrian beverages

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Anonymous #17 16h

That's like saying "automobiles. All the same" like not tf they aren't. You need to learn more about AI before you compare them.

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Anonymous #18 16h

if you put wheels on my grandmother she would have been a bike

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Anonymous #17 16h

Pretty fair, with a lot of people in the chat harping on the miniscule amt of water data centers use compared to much bigger things in the U.S that really aren't necessary (looking at you golf). And there's also a Fuk ton of resources that goes into...

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Anonymous #5 16h

Not about generative AI. It's clearly a net negative. Analytic AI can work wonders, but those are not the same.

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 16h

raising cattle. I'm sure it could be better managed, but isn't to make the process cheaper. But I'm not going vegan anytime soon.

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Anonymous #9 16h

is it though?

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 16h

Well, we can agree that cattle has a net positive though... AI is shitty AND using important resources. It's like playing Minecraft survival mode and your little sibling just starts making an infinite number of diamond hoes... like we need those diamonds buddy, and the hoe is the worst thing to use it on.

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Anonymous #18 16h

You know water is reusable right)

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Anonymous #18 16h

so fuck the earth as long as it benefits me

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Anonymous #18 16h

Also one hamburger takes 660 gallons of water. Chicken takes 1/4 to 1/6 of what beef takes

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Anonymous #17 16h

Golf is a proper sport with its own tournaments, there are casual ways to interact with it yes but to say that is all golf is would be insulting to the athletes who play this sport

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Anonymous #9 16h

Bro what 😭

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Anonymous #5 15h

playing devils advocate here i conferred, with claude, and the issue is that even though that water will end up back on the surface eventually it might not be in the same location so in more arid places it is using water that is scarce to begin with

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Anonymous #5 15h

I am very passionate about golf sorry. I play golf for my college and I don’t like it when ppl are ignorant to what it is

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Anonymous #9 15h

i too love getting drunk with my rich friends and hitting little white balls with a stick

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Anonymous #9 15h

No it’s okay, we’re not bashing golf. I’m just saying if people are only bashing AI because of the water use, they are being ignorant.

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Anonymous #9 15h

golf is a sport as chess is a sport

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Anonymous #17 15h

If bowling is a sport then golf is a sport. Ether way I’ve always loved playing golf

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Anonymous 5n34ky801 15h

That’s what I’m talking about obviously they aren’t letting some chud in his basement that knows how to train an AI run numbers and machinery that have massive impact my point is many people that are against AI fail to make that distinction I just hate a lack of Nuance

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Anonymous #19 15h

As an artist, I hate AI and the people that use it to create art. If you suck at art, who cares? If you use a machine to create art, you suck.

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Anonymous #18 15h

Oh my - thank you. And I’m sorry I missed the art aspect. This is something that I truly don’t understand and I’m totally an idiot for arts. In this case I do understand your concerns haha

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Anonymous #5 15h

my hot take is that i think ai should be reserved for things like these only. the general public should NOT have access to generative ai

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Anonymous #7 15h

The AI he listed isn't even generative AI! Ffs I agree with you, but again we are talking about two completely different types of AI

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Anonymous #1 14h

Energy usage by AI is a real problem, especially when data centers are built in places without adequate power infrastructure. The water usage thing is like entirely fake though.

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Anonymous #20 14h

True

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Anonymous #20 14h

https://www.fwpcoa.org/content.aspx?page_id=5&club_id=859275&item_id=130961 ok

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