There’s a difference between mourning and having common respect. It makes me sick to see HOW MANY PEOPLE are celebrating this disgusting act!! The shooter is NOT a hero, and no matter your beliefs, whether you hated him or not, the people who have common decency and respect can ALL agree that nobody deserves that, and my heart goes out to his family and everyone who was at that school. It was scary and NOT justified. We are ALL ALLOWED to have our OWN beliefs!! He DIDNT deserve that. PERIOD.
We can condemn the way someone died without mourning the loss of a hateful, ridiculing, & just overall too far gone, type of human being that on top of that was fueling a climate catastrophe & a world war 3 at the same time rather than helping the fight to stop either or both of them
The whole point is the fact that INNOCENT people everyday die by gun violence like CHILDREN yet people do go to these lengths to “show their respect” I’d rather take a moment of silence for children that died during a school shooting than a moment of silence for someone who felt like their casualties doesn’t require gun reform cause he liked owning them
I would add lying too but it’s difficult to tell if he really was that brainwashed to believe some of the objectively wrong & skewed statistics he was spewing. Maybe he didn’t change the stats himself but rather his source did & he just believed them cuz he didn’t go through enough school to know any better? idk but yea i feel like i can say good riddance without siding with the killer or condoning the way he died cuz lol that shit is the problem too & low key Kirk helped his shooter get there
How come you’re not this disgusted when it’s innocent children getting massacred? Every school shooting, the right IMMEDIATELY jumps to “we really shouldn’t politicize this” and just tries to move on after briefly blaming mental health or video games while offering no solution of either. This one loud mouth prick gets killed, and suddenly it justifies talk of civil war? Fuck you
Im not sure what original question you are talking about. But to answer this comment, the current “trained” police were obviously not competent enough to handle the situation properly and with urgency. In the state of Texas, more than 80% of school districts either don’t have active shooter response plans, or are insufficient according to audits. Maybe we should start there and have all police responders trained specifically for school shooting scenarios.
And ok, so why haven’t you started there? Texas? The fucking most red state? By all logic, they should have 0 school shooting and tragedies, because it’s a republican utopia with all the perfect freedoms and none of the radical left lunacy your glorious leader constantly bitches about. Why aren’t they doing anything?
Logic would dictate that the country with nigh unrestricted access to firearms would have issues with shootings. Logic would not dictate that adding more guns to the equation is the solution. I understand that you realize this, at least on some level, because you’ve started insulting my intelligence rather than defending your position.
We are NOT the only country that has school shootings, but I understand how you might have been led to believe that. How about this: Switzerland legally REQUIRES adults to have a rifle in their home. What is the result? Almost zero school shootings, exceptionally low murder rate, and one of the lowest gun violence rates per capita out of any country. It works.
I didn’t say we were the only country that has them, I said we’re the only one that has this problem. Granted, that statement is a bit vague, but what I meant is that we’re the only country where it’s this chronic. School shootings are an almost daily occurrence. Also, Switzerland does not require gun ownership, as you suggest, it has mandatory military service where they’re required to keep their service weapon at home. Civilian gun ownership is more heavily regulated there than it is here.
What did I ignore about your hypothetical, and where did I strawman anything? Saying we need more armed guards is literally saying we need more “good guys with guns.” That’s not a strawman. And pointing out situations where the thing you’re suggesting hasn’t worked isn’t strawmanning either. What’s your point? “If this hypothetical scenario happened exactly how I’m describing it, we wouldn’t have as many school shootings. Clearly it would work, it’s right there in my hypothetical.” Lmfao
This is a multi-faceted issue, but like we just discussed, having proper training of firearms drastically decreases accidents. Sure, having a gun around will increase the risk of something going wrong, but having a good defense against these things is what truly matters at the end of the day. This could apply to other types of weapons as well. How do you think police respond to violent attacks in other countries? They show up with batons and a flashlight?
No, you are definitely correct on that. Police are out of control and qualified immunity needs to go. Like I mentioned earlier I’m not a republican so I can concede on this point because theres no denying the terrible consequences that unchecked power can have especially when corruption is rampant
Additionally though, since police can be “bad” and we can’t always count on them, we really can’t know for sure who the “good guys” are. This gives us some special cases where civilians use deadly force against officers as self-defense and are justified. The 2nd amendment exists so we can protect ourselves from these types of scenarios. If only the government is allowed to have guns, there’s nothing we can do. But this also means that it isn’t JUST a gun control/school shootingproblem
Right, and I think that is because the US itself is a very unique country. Each state is basically its own country and having good governance over everything is very hard to achieve. I think that is why a lot of our country-specific problems exist tbh. Let me ask you though, what would your proposed solution to all of this be?
Alright cut the bullshit we’re not doing this all over again alright, i stg if i see another person talk without checking their shit on all-sides (media bias checker for media literacy) ima go Matt Murdock on yall’s asses😑Lock the fuck in & give me good arguments https://youtu.be/bddwiUoNncg?si=fKfLUXJ4ArCE8ufs
I didn’t say police are bad, but I think it’s possible for cops to be good or bad. The clear response to this is harsher punishments for cops who break the law or abuse their position. As for ensuring armed guards are “good,” idk about you but I don’t see too many school resource officers or security personnel committing crimes (against the students/school at least). But if you’re still worried about that I think the solution would be to having rigorous training for these types of scenarios,
You’re being attacked, but you’re right. Even if he was a bad person, that doesn’t mean we should go around shouting to the world we are happy he is dead. Some things need to stay offline. Absolutely NO ONE deserves to be shot and killed in public, let alone on a college campus where students should feel safe. And admitting it shouldn’t have happened doesn’t mean you are ignoring every other horrible thing that has happened. People just like to argue
How do u know that #9 isn’t disgusted by the school shootings? Do you know them personally, or are you just projecting? They are just saying the shooting shouldn’t have happened at all, just like how all those kids should still be alive. You can’t pick and choose what counts as a violent act just bc he was an awful person.
I’m sorry but if u’re not helping the climate crisis the way vegans are (as slight of a help their efforts actually accumulate to) then u can’t really genuinely have this take. & i don’t say this cuz the climate crisis per say but rather because of their other reason for doing it. Aka no living should die unnecessarily. If u r vegan tho, then i salute u, i wanna become as vegan as i can soon as i stop living w/ my parents, but for now i just respect the extra L that they’re taking for the team
Lmao didn’t i just say it wasn’t about the climate crisis but rather the other reason why they do it? Aka the “no living being with a conscious should die unnecessarily? Or did u miss that part? When was the last time u advocated for the unfair mistreatment of animals? The overkill of hunting? The shark masacre cove in Europe?
You are making no sense. I said both acts were acts of violence. Admitting that does not take away from the horrible deaths of students. Also I said “no one deserves to be shot and killed in public” not “no one should die”. Stop twisting my words. And I do a lot of climate advocacy, I literally went to White House to support a bill for environmentalism last year. You are making assumptions about me just bc I said that pubic assassinations are a violent act.
You need to aim your anger towards people who are actually saying hateful things. I can be upset that those college students no longer feel safe on campus, advocate for climate change, cry for the children in school shootings, and speak up about Gaza all at the same time. I don’t pick and choose when I stick to my moral compass
The hell’s the difference if they get shot in public by a special needs guy that the groypher’s took advantage of & that kirk helped allow gun shops to sell a gun to, or if they get squashed by a falling rock like the witch from snow white?!? That’s my fav example cuz dawg no one switched up their whole feelings towards the person from fighting against his impactful lies to crying about him just cuz they died from something no one could have expected & smthn no party involved rlly had hand in
None of that changes the relief everyone felt when the witch from snow white died. Or find any other poetic story more adequate to what happened here that talks about a villain dying from a chain reaction of their own actions in the same way others fell at the start or middle of the story from these said actions that the villain was making. Does any1 feel bad for him/her at the end of the story? No. Does that mean that they all of a sudden condone these actions? Also no, they fraught against em
They fought against them the whole story & the final nail in the coffin to these actions usually is the villain falling to them as well. Public shootings by white young men are terrible, it’s terrible that this is happening, but we can also all be glad that this instance that is finally making everyone wake up is likely to be one of the final nails in the coffin to finally get these guns out of their hands & finally establish a reform of gun laws & background checks.
Like bruh yes the villain could have fallen in a more just way. The witch could have fallen to some kind of medieval justice system (unrealistic) instead of dieing at the hands of a rock. Green Goblin could have been helped into mental health & not unceremoniously fallen to his own glider. Hawkgirl was slightly wrong for killing the villain the way she did instead of letting him stand trial for his wrongs & letting the people of Jarhanpur grill him in court. Judge Doom fell to own roller/acid…
Yea i can’t rlly say much about judge doom cuz that maniac was way too far gone but sure, Judge Doom who cruelly tortured & killed toons with those same machines in “who framed roger rabbit” could have maybe benefited from therapy & get nursed back to health but it would have been very risky to anyone attempting to try & make that work but sure… however, - like Dr. Howard-John Wesley said recently:
Also i’m deadass a climate justice activism leader & also an organizer for the Palestine movement in my county & i can prove that to u if u DM so yea ig at least on that note let’s just say we are even. ^ But plz if there is any takeaway from this for u, let it be that quote from Dr. Howard-John Wesley^
I never said this. I completely agree with this statement and I wish more attention would be payed to CHILDREN. It’s not fair of you to say I am not this disgusted when innocent children get massacred. Im studying to literally TEACH in a SCHOOL. You really think I could be as low to express MORE disgust towards this man? Man who I barely watched? This is about MORALITY. We aren’t talking about the children right now, but yes, it is DEVASTATING. I agree that I could’ve better worded my (1/2)
Completely agree. But I wasnt comparing ANYTHING! I think that the massacres ESPECIALLY with children ALL AROUND THE WORLD is a devastating tragedy. This comes down to morals. Do I believe there was hypocrisy with the honor of Charlie Kirk’s death? Yes! Absolutely, but this message goes towards the people who are CELEBRATING a death. When somebody dies, ANYBODY (besides the killers and vile people), it’s disgusting to see the world act in this way. It’s scary to see what America has come to.
Argument, but what Ive said has been taken out of context and Ive been labeled things that I shouldn’t be labeled. This message went out to the people who celebrate his death. I barely knew the guy. I simply reposted a reply to a comment tht said “why mourn an evil man” In which I simply said we do not have to mourn him but when people die its proper to show respect. It disappoints me to see all of this disgusting behavior around the world. And Im tired of it! Pls dont put words in my mouth. 2/2
Thank you so much. I literally haven’t responded to anything because it’s been all too much. I wasn’t expecting to get attention like that, and people just like to take my stuff out of context and put words in my mouth. I appreciate you, and I’m glad you saw my intent. Have a good day.