Anonymous #1 1d

I hate all those European countries just as much actually. I think instead of deflecting and trying to make it seem like it’s “normal” for countries to have committed genocides, we should overthrow all those governments

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Anonymous #1 1d

And I said America because people love to think that all the wars happening only started now because of trump, and i always hear bs like “this is not the America I love”. Which is extremely dumb because America has been doing ts since its creation.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Cameroon, Nigeria, Tchad, Congo, Burkina Faso, Niger, Mali, and way more. And this is just African countries

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Anonymous #2 1d

You really think the victims of genocides had the time to commit genocides themselves??

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ever heard of the anglophone crisis in Cameroon?

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Anonymous #3 1d

I’m obviously talking about the United States of America and yes it’s older than Israel. Are you acting dumb on purpose?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Brochacho, I’m from there, you think idk about the civil war in my own country?? Who do you think is causing it?? And it’s not a genocide

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Anonymous OP 1d

Who do you think is causing it?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Who do you think causes all the wars happening in Africa? You must have been born yesterday. They are all results of Neocolonialism

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Anonymous OP 1d

So, current Africans aren't responsible for their own actions? That's very infantilizing.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Do you know how long Cameroon’s current president has been in power? 44 yrs. That’s almost how long we’ve been an independent nation. Do you want to know how he remains there? The French government. The French government literally trains his personal army, and provides them with weapons to make sure that Cameroonians can never overthrow him.

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Anonymous #2 1d

The reason there’s a civil war is because the anglophones want to separate themselves from the French-backed government. But do you think France would allow that when a lot of the resources they steal are from that region?

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Anonymous #4 1d

Born here but my family is from Cameroon.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ok, let's say that you're right about everything. Are the president and his soldiers brainwashed by the French government? Are they incapable of not doing what they're doing?

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Anonymous #2 1d

And even then, it’s not Cameroon colonizing and committing a genocide. It’s a civil war. It doesn’t change the fact that America and Europe literally built themselves using genocides and slavery.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Do you even know what a puppet leader means? Why are you acting naive?? You think a 91 yrs old man would try to separate himself from them when they could easily kill him? You think France doesn’t have his own CIA😭???? Of course he would rather profit until he dies

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Anonymous #2 1d

Who do you think killed Thomas Sankara????

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Anonymous OP 1d

Victims of genocide commit genocide literally all the time. The genocide in Gaza, the Bosnian genocide, the Hutu massacres in the first Congo War, etc.

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Anonymous #5 1d

That doesn’t counter my point at all. plenty of countries were built by genocide survivors without going on to commit genocide themselves. And the people committing a genocide in Gaza, are Zionists. The Bosnian genocide wasn’t victims doing the same, it was just a genocide. The Hutu massacres wasn’t by the victims of a previous one, it was a genocide by a political movement, in a similar way to Israel.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It does. You said “You really think that the victims of genocide had time to commit genocide themselves?” I just gave you 3 examples of genocides committed by victims of genocide. The Nakba, the Naksa, and the Gaza genocide were all committed either by pogrom survivors, Holocaust survivors and survivors of the Jewish expulsion from the Arab world or by their descendants. The Bosnian genocide was committed by Serbs, themselves the victims of the Croatian Ustase massacres some 50 years earlier.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I never said that genocide survivors inherently always commit genocide, but you argued that genocide survivors cannot commit genocide when you said “You really think that genocide survivors had the time to commit genocide themselves?” Even a single counterexample would have been enough to disprove your assertion.

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Anonymous #5 1d

You said “victims of genocide commit genocide literally all the time”. What I meant was most countries don’t form by committing genocide and the examples I listed didn’t either. What nation had the time to commit a genocide while it was alrd being persecuted. That’s what I’m talking about. Jews were not a nation, it’s Zionists who became one, and they are the ones committing the genocide. Your argument is pretty useless because it’s irrelevant.

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Anonymous #5 1d

It wasn’t by Jewish survivor, but by Zionists, and there is clear distinction between a Jew and a Zionist. It’s the same as a Catholic and a Mormon coming from the same religion, but they are very different.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It was by Jewish survivors, Jews who happened to be Zionist. The fact that they were Zionist does not detract from their Judaism. The vast majority of Israelis are the descendants of pogrom survivors, Holocaust survivors, and survivors of the post-Nakba ethnic cleansing from the SWANA region. It’s impossible to separate Israeli-committed genocides from the millennia of generational trauma that preceded them.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Are catholics the same as Mormons? Are they the same as Lutherans? Are they the same as Baptists? They all come from Christianity but you can’t say they are the same. The Lutheran church was formed by MLK, so can you say the people who follow it are the descendants of the Christians who co-signed slavery? It is in fact possible to separate Jewish people from Zionists. They all come from Judaism, but Zionism is a denomination of Judaism, they have separate ideologies.

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Anonymous OP 1d

MLK did not start the Lutheran church lol

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Anonymous #2 1d

Sorry, my mistake. I meant ML

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Anonymous #2 1d

Still doesn’t make my point any less valid

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Anonymous OP 1d

Zionism is not a denomination of Judaism, it’s a political movement that’s closely associated with Judaism. There are plenty of denominations of Judaism — Modern Orthodox, Masorti, Reform, Reconstructionist, Lubavitcher, Satmar, etc. — but Zionism is not a denomination.

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Anonymous #5 1d

You’re kind of proving my point. Political movements and divisions within a religion are one of the reason for the formation of new denominations. The Protestant reformation was political, even in Islam, the separation between Sunni and Shia was political. It’s the same thing happening with Zionism.

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Anonymous OP 1d

No scholar of Judaism recognizes Zionism as a distinct denomination. There are Zionist Jews that belong to every Jewish denomination (except for Neturei Karta). The liturgy of a Reform service is entirely different to that of a Chabad service. The reasons that a secular agnostic Zionist supports the existence of the state of Israel have nothing in common with the reasons of the Dati Leumi.

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Anonymous #5 1d

I never said it was recognized as a denomination. Im saying Zionism is more like a denomination of Judaism. And so you can’t be talking about Israel and saying “Jews”. And of course Jews don’t want Zionism to be associated with them, once again you’re not really disproving anything I said, you just want to argue. There is no atheist Zionist, if that’s what you meant, because agnostic means questioning. There’s no atheist Zionist because their ideologies are based on Abrahamic religions.

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Anonymous #5 1d

And even if there was atheistic Zionism somehow, that still doesn’t prove any of your points. My post wasn’t even about Jews or Zionism, just Israel, because that’s what they should be identified as, Israelis. And about the hypocrisy of America, so whatever you’re saying about Jews doesn’t hold.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Given that I’m a Jewish person majoring in Jewish studies, I suspect that I know much more about Jewish denominations than you. Zionism is not a denomination of Judaism any more than Irish nationalism is a denomination of Catholicism. Zionism is linked to Judaism, just as Irish nationalism is linked to Catholicism, but there are no distinct unifying religious doctrinal beliefs among Zionist Jews, just as there are no distinct, unifying religious doctrinal beliefs among Irish nationalists.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Your assertion that there are no atheist Zionists shows that you are entirely uneducated on the Jewish people; atheist Judaism is a well-known phenomenon. I’m not going to engage any further on the topic, since you don’t know enough for me to bother.

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Anonymous OP 19h

You ever heard the phrase “history is written by the victors”? It exists for a reason.

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Anonymous OP 19h

Bro ever since homo sapiens became a distinct species weve been killing each other.

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