Anonymous #1 9w

This isn’t murdering children

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Anonymous OP 9w

Abortion is murder

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Anonymous #2 9w

Yea they don’t care to acknowledge things. Ngl I am pro self defense but I respect your opinion on gun violence and would agree that a gun doesn’t belong in most people’s hands, I feel all people should get mentally tested and hardcore background checks before having a gun handed to them.

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Anonymous #3 9w

Two wrongs don’t make a right. A life is not less of a life because it was conceived through rape.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Are you a woman?! How can you force a woman to keep a baby that was born out of such traumatic circumstances?! Im asking this as someone more pro life leaning, this is where ill always draw the line

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Anonymous #3 9w

My gender is irrelevant and it’s sexist of you to ask. I’m a member of the human species and we are talking about human. She can choose to put the baby up for adoption. A traumatic experience does not mean that we have to murder a baby to atone for it.

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Anonymous #1 9w

I’m asking because it sounds merciless, and honestly a woman would rarely ever think that way. Some males just don’t care because it doesn’t touch them. Not sexist, a fact that if you were a woman it would be different. So imagine yourself as a woman SA victim who has this baby that completely ruins your life plans and goals, makes you perhaps depressed, suicidal etc because your were SA’d, a constant reminder of something you might blame yourself for a good period of your life and of the trauma

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Anonymous #1 9w

You can’t possibly afford to take care of it and miss school or work and by the time it’s born maybe you get attached to it yet because it’s your baby which happens, what do you explain to them or who explains it to them, that their father is a rapist? That they were a terrible accident?

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Anonymous #1 9w

I think unprotected sex that is consensual has consequences and one of them certainly is a potential baby and that should fully be considered beforehand and relying on abortion to get rid of the problem isn’t favorable. But this is totally different. You lack compassion completely

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Anonymous #3 9w

What is merciless is poisoning and ripping apart a baby limb by limb who had nothing to do with the situation. Again, it’s sexist to say a woman would think differently. The trauma of rape is not solved through murder of a baby. The best thing that can be done at that point is execute the raper.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Can you at least consider my other points? Put yourself in these shoes for a moment

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Anonymous #3 9w

#1 is obviously a man

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Anonymous OP 9w

How dare you assume my gender?

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Anonymous #1 9w

I’m not ashamed

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Anonymous #1 9w

The way you spoke lol made it clear

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Anonymous #1 9w

Sorry but the way you speak just doesn’t sound how a woman would speak

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Anonymous #1 9w

“Human species”

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Anonymous #3 9w

Can you at least consider that a lot of women that have abortions regret them? Can you at least consider that a life of a child conceived through rape is not less valuable than another life?

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Anonymous #3 9w

Look I just want to be honest, not attack you but I want you to really feel this perspective I’m giving you

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Anonymous #3 9w

Thankfully I never felt what it like to have my head crushed by a pair of pliers and then ripped apart from my mother’s womb

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Anonymous #1 9w

Look I totally understabd and agree fully that a lot of women who have abortions regret them. I don’t support mindless abortions, however we should define that. But no woman regrets abortion of a rape, in fact it may keep that woman from killing herself. See I just considered something you said, now can you take in perspective something I said so we can try and see more eye to eye in a respectful convo

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Anonymous #3 9w

“No woman”

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Anonymous #1 9w

Was this consensual or a rape? It’s not clear from this snippet you shared. Also this a small minority of SA victims; the majority feel suicidal/severely depressed having to keep the baby in this situation and feel relieved with that option of abortion. Also again, you didn’t actually consider the perspective I gave you at all, which I asked you to, at least find something you can agree with from what I’m saying because I feel I met you halfway at least by acknowledging that women may regret

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Anonymous #1 9w

This is not the same Amy story from earlier, so were you trying to fudge the facts? Also you didn’t answer my other question in my comment

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Anonymous #3 9w

I considered your view. I sympathize with those victims. I however do not believe that a plausible answer is the murder of a child. I also consider the fact that there are plenty of women who regret their abortion even are rape. The trauma of rape is not solved through an abortion. In many cases it makes it worse.

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Anonymous #3 9w

And also I could share a bunch of stories where SA victims express extreme relief with the option

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Anonymous #3 9w

The title “rape”. The first sentence “abortion after rape”

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Anonymous #3 9w

With so many of these types of stories don’t you think it should ultimately be the woman’s choice here? At least give her autonomy back over her body after this trauma

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Anonymous #3 9w

In response to my so many stories countering these ones I know of

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Anonymous #3 9w

It was wrong of you to say “no woman regrets the abortion of a rape” when that is obviously not the case. For the women that find peace after their abortions, they need to reconsider their moral compass. Even so, it does not justify the slaughter of an innocent life

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Anonymous #1 9w

I think psychologically speaking if these women had no option at all for abortion they would be extremely in pain as well and be resentful, even the women in the stories you shared with me, don’t you agree?

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Anonymous #3 9w

No I don’t agree. They weren’t empowered by their choice. They regretted it. Most of the quotes I shared with you are from women at the march for life protests and similar. They are actively trying to support women to not make that choice of murder and support a ban on it.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Ok fair, after you shared this I will take in faith that those are real people and examples of women who do in fact regret their abortion after SA. However this is not the majority. I also don’t think it’s right to claim those who find peace need to reconsider their moral compass… who are we to judge them I feel like, we know nothing of their pain! I wouldn’t say those who keep the baby or regret aborting should re evaluate their moral compass. It’s not good to point the finger at people in

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Anonymous #3 9w

Such a sensitive and shame inducing state, your stories highlighted it too, the shame felt

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Anonymous #3 9w

She still has autonomy over her own body. Although temporarily dependent on the mother during pregnancy, the baby is a separate and unique life.

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Anonymous #3 9w

Had to continue because word limit

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Anonymous #1 9w

But that woman would definitely be resentful because she wanted to make that choice due to the pain, shame and trauma, but wouldn’t have had even that choice to make; so it must be true she would be resentful, in pain, deepening

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Anonymous #3 9w

The people that regret their choices have become better people with better morals. They are using their experience to empower other women to not make the same mistake they did. While they will always carry that shame, we don’t have to shame women who did, but we have to prevent as many abortions as possible from happening in the future. Similar testimonials indicate those that have regretted their choice to kill their child have found peace through therapy and/or religion.

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Anonymous #1 9w

But how does she have autonomy over her body when a baby is suddenly thrown into it, that she must deal with, with the energy of a rapist too?

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Anonymous #3 9w

If that’s still the case give the child up for adoption at birth.

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Anonymous #3 9w

The baby is a unique and separate life. It is no longer her body at that point.

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Anonymous #1 9w

But what people don’t understand with the giving the child up to adoption argument is that the SA victim still has a disastrous disruption to their life, whether that be college, work whatever, maybe they have to drop out, and they suddenly perhaps even way too young still have to carry the baby in their womb and go through pregnancy pains. It’s a constant reminder of rape. Who wants that? No one

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Anonymous #3 9w

No one say 14 years old when they’re able to have a baby or whatever age no one that young should ever have to carry a baby due to rape, that would cause me immense fear and depression going through something I don’t know and didn’t sign up for so young, for everyone to see that and stigmatize me for it not knowing I was SA and me not daring to tell anyone I was SA due to extreme discomfort with that

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Anonymous #3 9w

“Who wants that?” The baby. The mothers who regret their decision would certainly go back in time and deal with a temporary inconvenience.

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Anonymous #3 9w

One of the testimonials I shared with you was from a 15 year old girl.

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Anonymous #1 9w

It’s not just a temporary inconvenience…

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Anonymous #3 9w

It is if they give it up to adoption. You’re talking about a year at most and only about 2 months if she’s confident enough to continue classes.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Physically speaking

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Anonymous #1 9w

And I feel like ultimately, women need to make this decision privately, it should not be a political matter, it’s a family matter. I don’t support meaningless abortion beyond rape cases, but still that’s a woman choice to make and face the consequences either way. By making it a ban, it opens up all sorts of problems where maybe a few years from now more laws encouraging abortion come out making it normalized (for cases of non rape, which I know at least we both agree on those cases)

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Anonymous #1 9w

I still believe it’s a constant reminder of the trauma and pain, I would be so frightened as a young girl in that state. But I guess we both have different views on this

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Anonymous #3 9w

It should be an all out ban. I agree that it opens up the possibility of a reversal in the future but I believe that would happen either way. As long as the supreme court would actually declare it completely unconstitutional (Roe v Wade just declared it a state matter) I believe that it would stick.

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Anonymous #3 9w

Ending the life of the baby early does not make it less of a reminder of the trauma and pain than simply giving it up for adoption

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Anonymous #1 9w

You don’t think that’s an individuals karmic lesson to deal with? Why should we involve ourselves in someone else’s karma by forcing them to do something they morally don’t believe in? Instead I think it more effective we campaign and show these stories of women regretting with compassion and power for people to open their minds. I’m talking about non SA cases let’s assume that moving forward since we agree more in those cases

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Anonymous #1 9w

There simply is no justification for the intentional killing of a baby, including any other circumstances surrounding its conception

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Anonymous #1 9w

But you don’t know that for sure, that ending the life of the baby early does not make it less of a reminder of the trauma and pain then simply giving it up for adoption. The counter stories are real women’s experiences too, likewise to how the stories you gave me are other women’s stories. You see we all have different stories, no two women are alike in this

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Anonymous #3 9w

Take this example. A person intentionally trips me and it breaks my leg in a way that I am unable to walk for the next year of my life. However, I can choose to kill a random person that wasn’t even there when I was tripped and be out of the cast and walking in 2 months instead of a year. Is that the correct choice to kill the random third party?

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Anonymous #1 9w

Just accidentally lost the long message I was typing out… but Also wanted to say because of politics, people are parading my body my choice. If it wasn’t a political issue we wouldn’t hear that at all, and the saying touches so many people and almost desensitizes the matter of what gets effected. Do you agree with me?

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Anonymous #3 9w

Those women that think of it positively don’t have a comparison to a live birth and adoption scenario to compare their relief to

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Anonymous #1 9w

But that’s what I’m saying that even with that comparison to live birth and adoption some women would still be miserable and wouldn’t help them overcome trauma but just make things worse. I feel like either way, your stories you gave and the ones I’m describing both coexist

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Anonymous #3 9w

I agree that it has been desensitized by the pro choice movement. That doesn’t mean we should just stop talking about it in hopes that they die down too. Ultimately the message needs to be spread that it is a human life and eventually a full ban

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Anonymous #1 9w

Definitely agree we should just stop taking about it in hopes it will die down. I’m actually saying instead let’s just share these stories, campaign, warn people, so people are fully informed, people always deal with the consequences of their actions in every scenario, we all have free will ultimately, that’s the promise of life, and through that only do we learn and our morals improve, through that suffering or through someone explaining to us but not forcing the decision on us we don’t

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Anonymous #3 9w

Morally see the vision of

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Anonymous #3 9w

TYPO: Definitely agree we ***shouldnt

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Anonymous #3 9w

If people were to control your life and make every moral decision for you, you would never learn and such a life would be disempowered and meaningless. You learn more through making decisions and consequences

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Anonymous #3 9w

Again by making it a political issue now mass people are defiant against what we want

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Anonymous #1 9w

I felt like also your ex of a person intentionally tripping me and breaking my leg so I can no longer walk for the next year of my life, where I can choose to kill a random person that wasn’t even there when I was tripped and be able to walk again is not comparable at all to the severity of rape, of course I wouldn’t kill the random person, and I know I can walk again in a year, but rape gets carried for so long with a woman, possibly forever, she isn’t cured of rape trauma from having baby

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Anonymous #3 9w

We outlawed conventional murder because it impacts the life of another. (Walking up on the street shooting somebody in cold blood). This is no different. Unless that action is also legalized the government has a place in regulated our actions that impact the lives of others

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Anonymous #3 9w

There is not as great an impediment to my work or school life with that broken leg nor the same kind of shame and despair being so young and having something so life altering to my body (pregnancy etc)

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Anonymous #1 9w

I fully believe in the ideas of self responsibility and free will. I also support feeling the consequences of your own actions. However, when you impact someone else’s free will (the right to life) you have violated that principle and should be punished accordingly

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Anonymous #3 9w

The concept is the same. Make it whatever scenario you want. Maybe if it is easier for you to see think of it as being fully paralyzed for one year and the option to shorten it by killing a random.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Yes I agree with you that you impact the baby’s free will — the right to life, definitely. But I ultimately think whatever you want to call it, God, karma, universe, life would deal with the “punishment” accordingly, and we ought to deal with one another not as superior but in a very grounded way to help each other on our life mission

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Anonymous #3 9w

Someone who mindlessly aborts without a second thought will always face a consequence I guarantee that

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Anonymous #1 9w

I wouldn’t kill someone at random in a case of being fully paralyzed for one year

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Anonymous #3 9w

I’m glad you say you wouldn’t kill a random. And nobody should be given the option to kill the random in the same situation

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Anonymous #1 9w

A conventional murder is a threat to many individuals, so many people can die from the cold blooded killer and he has absolutely no mercy just a cold blooded desire to kill kill kill. So law is appropriate to keep us safe and him off the streets

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Anonymous #3 9w

While I believe we are on the same page on this part, I recently say a video of a woman in front of planned parenthood flipping off her womb and drinking alcohol while chanting “f*** the baby”. This is pure evil that should not be allowed to happen in our world

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Anonymous #1 9w

But ultimately what im saying is it’s not our place to judge someone else in such unique circumstances and that a person doing it for fun will ultimately always get a punishment, not my job to punish them but they will get one for sure. If I impose on them they will never morally learn the moral importance of their mistake or believe in the right action

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Anonymous #3 9w

What about someone that only kills one specific person for a specific reason and is deemed to not be a threat to anyone else ever? We don’t let them go unpunished

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Anonymous #1 9w

Which part did you say we are on the same page? Also yes the video you described is super disturbing flat out. I know she will get her karma. I don’t endorse that at all . Many people wouldn’t though I bet many pro choice people wouldn’t endorse it, few will, many won’t

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Anonymous #1 9w

But this video says “girls at the abortion clinic” so I don’t think it really happened like it was just a meme mocking women who go to the abortion clinic to say this is how they behave and point it out? Correct me if I’m wrong tho

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Anonymous #3 9w

I don’t have enough context or background information to say whether it is a real video or if it was a skit. However, I do know a similar culture exists

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Anonymous #1 9w

No I think if someone kills another specific person with cold blooded intention which happens a lot sadly they are def a threat to other people and deserve bad karma

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Anonymous #3 9w

The same page on if we should allow for abortions to be used as a form of birth control

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Anonymous #3 9w

They will get it tho

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Anonymous #1 9w

Ok got it yes

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Anonymous #1 9w

That’s ultimately what I’m trying to do is try to invite a space where we can respectfully discuss with one another and understand each others emotions in this because too many times in society people cancel each other and get vicious

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Anonymous #3 9w

So at least finding some common ground, and discussing concerns even if we don’t fully agree is useful

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Anonymous #3 9w

Right I that is our common ground but that also doesn’t mean my opinion has changed on what we should do about allowing abortion after rape and the morals surrounding it

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Anonymous #1 9w

Yes I agree that any such culture as demonstrated in the video is completely heartless

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Anonymous #1 9w

My opinion on that also didn’t change, but at least I feel like we both were able to go deeper into our own reasoning and the concerns many people have on either side of the debate, which is important that people understand in order to be able to address the issue in whichever way they do (whether by law or another means) and if people did this more like we did it might lead to some progress on the issue

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Anonymous #3 9w

In politics everyone is angry at each other and it never goes far. We will never progress as a society that way

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Anonymous #3 9w

Right. Glad to have the conversation with you. It should build on both of our reasoning capabilities as well as our understanding of the other side. All the best

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Anonymous #1 9w

Yes agreed, all the best!

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