General on Yik Yak | The idea that people are inherently lazy and need an external authority to make them productive or moral is propaganda. People want to work towards things and feel fulfilled and contribute to a community

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General 13w

The idea that people are inherently lazy and need an external authority to make them productive or moral is propaganda. People want to work towards things and feel fulfilled and contribute to a community

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Anonymous 13w

Kinda like people who think religion and the threat of eternal damnation is the only reason people should/would act according to good morals. Uh, how about actually having good morals because you value others and good is good, not only out of fear of punishment. We shouldn’t need an external threat or authority to contribute to society.

Anonymous 13w

op, if you don’t already know what intrinsic and extrinsic motivation are, i feel like you would be interested

Anonymous 13w

Has op ever had roommates

Anonymous 13w

my entire day today has been a contradiction of everything you just said

Anonymous 13w

Not going to lie I do need that, cause if I have a physical trainer I could do it but by myself I’m like nah lol

Anonymous

#1 13w

I get what you’re trying to say but thats kinda different from what im talking about. I am challenging the idea that without external control, people would be lazy, selfish, or immoral and that therefore people need to be forced or threatened with punishment in order to not be selfish, lazy, and immoral.

Anonymous

#1 13w

I think that belief is a product of certain capitalisic power structures that benefit from people seeing themselves as inherently untrustworthy without supervision and punishment. I think people are naturally driven to contribute, create, and connect when they have supportive communities

Anonymous

OP 13w

that method does not work in most cases and it's very telling you don't know that lmao.

Anonymous

#2 13w

oh wait ur arguing against that my bad

Anonymous

OP 13w

you’re right but motivation is still at the core of these things in a discussion about conditioning, one of my favorite professors told us that rats are naturally inclined to explore mazes for their own enjoyment; they won’t run the maze like we want them to unless they are starved he told us that, in all likelihood, our goal as a species is love and friendship but things like capitalism get in the way of that. people have no intrinsic motivation to work 40 hours/week just to scrape by

Anonymous

#1 13w

Ohhh, I see what you’re saying, I just assumed you commented that because you disagreed with the post. That is a really good point

Anonymous

#3 13w

Yess, this is such a good point too! We avoid hurting eachother because we know what its like to feel pain. We definitely dont need the threat of hell

Anonymous

OP 13w

yeah i feel like you have a more sociological perspective on the topic but we’re on the same side of this debate