Anonymous #1 5d

This is such fucking bullshit. Go ahead and name any other religion that has a “guaranteed homeland ordained by God.” You can’t. Why do Israelis get special treatment?

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Anonymous OP 5d

If you think Jewish identity is purely a religion, you need to educate yourself before you speak on this topic. In terms of groups having homelands they’re indigenous to, it has so much precedent I don’t even know where to begin - Persians in Iran, native Americans in America, Arabs in Saudi Arabia, etc. all enshrined under the UN Charter section about Rights to Self Determination. Israel was founded by secular labor ideologies - you’re misinformed if you think its because it was “promised”

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Anonymous #1 5d

Oh, funny that you bring up the UN. They declared Israel is committing a genocide. So fuck all the way off.

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Anonymous #1 5d

Also, ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel lmao

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Anonymous #1 5d

You know who are indigenous to Israel? Palestinians. You know, the people who’ve lived there for centuries.

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Anonymous OP 5d

You’re speaking with an understanding of indigeneity that’s so elementary school level, how did you get into Berkeley? Is a displaced Native American whose blood is mixed with Spanish or Canadian colonizers less Native? Do you believe in Blood Quantum? White Supremacists used that to deny Natives their land. The issue is, again, your conflation of action and self determination rights-You need to get off TikTok and actually learn about this conflict that you’ve been made to feel so strongly about

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Anonymous #1 5d

And you need to realize you’re blinded by propaganda, baby. Palestinians are the true Israelis. I know that’s super hard for you to hear.

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Anonymous OP 5d

You’ve seen the nature of this conversation, which of us is spouting hateful dogma and which of us is not. Who do you think is the one blinded by propaganda?

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Anonymous #1 5d

And who of us is the faux-intellectual, dancing around objective fact?

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Anonymous OP 5d

What objective fact have you posed? So far you’ve claimed Israel is evil, Palestinians are the true indigenous community and Jewish indigeneity is fake (though documented through literally thousands of years of archaeological evidence), and that the UN claimed Israel is committing a genocide (on which the Security Council (their legally binding body) has not agreed). It’s not about faux-intellectualism, it’s about you thinking “they all bad me all good objective fact and nuance irrelevant”

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Anonymous OP 5d

The truth is you have been brainwashed into blindingly emotional propagandic dogma and think that gives you the pseudo-intellectual legitimacy to spread hatred. Try again, this time better

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Anonymous #1 5d

One group of people has lived in Israel for centuries. The other has not, and colonized. The colonizers are now disproportionately killing the indigenous, more innocents than hamas. These are the objective facts. If you support this, then I hate to say it, but you are evil.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Again, you are calling Jews “the colonizers” and the Palestinians “the indigenous”. You’re framing it in a framework that is polarizingly simplified to pass on a “good vs bad” narrative. You’re not talking about the current situation in Gaza, you’re talking about Israel’s legitimacy as a sovereign state - you’re conflating one with the other and using it to push an agenda unrelated to cessation of hostilities with the Palestinians. That’s dishonest, and at the end of the day, if you seek to(1/2)

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Anonymous OP 5d

Destroy Israel, then its Genocidal too. (2/2)

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Anonymous #1 5d

Jesus Christ dude. Palestinians were there before, and Israelis are now killing them at disproportionate rates. It really is that simple, but you’re so indoctrinated that you’re blinded to the reality that Israel is by definition a genocidal state.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Again, you cannot comprehend a situation that is more than bad vs. good. Touching back to why you are the one blinded by propaganda. Even in your claim of “Palestinians were there first” there is outright evidence disproving that fact and showing Jews were there since 1200 BCE (1300 years before the word Palestine even showed up for the first time, which by the way was a colonial imposition by the Romans). The funniest thing is seeing you call me indoctrinated - it’s such an Orwellian inversion

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Anonymous #1 5d

Nobody’s trying to “destroy Israel.” We’re asking them to fucking stop killing innocents. God damn, people like you have such a deplorable victim mentality.

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Anonymous #1 5d

Just stop defending genocide, idiot. You’re doing your religion a disservice by trying to justify it.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Your claims so far invalidating the lie you just said, and pushing to delegitimize Israel as a country as opposed to stop violence: “ashkenazi Jews are not indigenous to Israel” “Israel is by definition a genocidal state” referring to Jews as “the colonizers” “Palestinians are the true Israelis”, etc. you’re dishonest. Say what you mean, don’t hide behind it. Also, victim mentality? Coming from someone whose entire political identity is victimhood, usually after starting wars? Come on now

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Anonymous OP 5d

And again with the propaganda strawman.

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Anonymous #1 5d

How are any of those statements dishonest?

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Anonymous #1 5d

God damn you’re exhausting. If you’re comfortable will the killing of innocents, just say so. Really gross behavior.

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