Anonymous #1 3w

Democratic socialism is better then the state our capitalist economy is in right now. Plus it has nothing to do with authoritarianism

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Anonymous OP 3w

No matter how much our government sucks right now it’s still better than socialism and communism💀. It has never worked in history and it never will

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Anonymous #2 3w

Okay that’s a perfectly valid opinion, but it still has nothing to do with authoritarianism and fascism from the og post

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Anonymous OP 3w

Bro I don’t care what you think. You think that Antifa is an actual anti fascist movement and that tells me everything I need to know.

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Anonymous #1 3w

What makes you think I think that? You just made it up in your head. Being anti fascism doesn’t make me antifa.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Your own post makes me think that. I didn’t say being anti fascist makes you antifa either. Trump is going after antifa, not “ANTI FASCISTS” or whatever.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Antifa isn’t even prevalent anymore, trumps anti antifa thing is propaganda to make people like you think Antifa is a dangerous widespread organization so that you get triggered when you see anti fascist posts like this and keep kissing his feet and worshiping your fascist dictator

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We are, in every way, exactly where nazi Germany was the year after electing hitler. free speech isn’t gone, but people who resist the trump administration are being punished and tracked, the military is being deployed to areas with a large population that voted against trump and companies are buying favor with the government by pledging their allegiance to this specific administration

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Anonymous #3 3w

L

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Anonymous #5 3w

i just want free education and healthcare and major restrictions on capitalism 😔

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Anonymous #3 3w

Same bruh

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Anonymous #2 3w

I mean, every time a country was doing well, a certain country loved to overthrow the government and install a dictatorship

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Anonymous #4 3w

There are signs of fascism, but that alone doesn’t not mean we are like Germany under hitler. Our military is not politicized, we still have multiple partys(the Democratic Party being as big as the Republican Party), our courts still operate independently, and the press is free(even tho its bought by both sides). It’s if any of these change that we need to worry.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Don’t get me wrong, Trump using immigrants as scapegoats and the cult like following he has are scary and are “signs” of fascism, but I don’t think America will become fascist. The Democratic Party also has its own “cult” that opposes anything trump does.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Only thing I’ve seen that really concerns me is people getting arrested for criticizing Israel. I haven’t seen any citizen criticize trump get arrested, but several US citizens have criticized Israel and been arrested.

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Anonymous #3 3w

“I just want to give the people I compare to Nazis to have free healthcare”

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Anonymous #1 3w

sure. everyone deserves free healthcare 🤷🏻

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Anonymous #6 3w

How is anti fascism so controversial here, why is it so crazy to not want to be ruled by an authoritarian corrupt government

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Anonymous #2 3w

Our military is 100% politicized my guy, trump and hegseth held a meeting to tell every general and admiral “you are going to do exactly what we tell you to or you will be fired”

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Anonymous #6 3w

Literally any proof of this? Or are you just listening to what people tell you?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Proof? Of what?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Yeah that’s how a military works. You follow the orders of your higher up.

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Anonymous #4 3w

What I mean when I saw our armed forces are not politicized is that they are loyal to the constitution and rule of the law, not to any one leader or party. Nazi germanys forces swore an oath to HITLER not the German state. Our soldiers do not take sides in politics or enforce trumps will, for example election decides presidents not force

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Anonymous #1 3w

That’s objectively not true, you take an oath to the constitution of the United States, and you obey the chain of command within those guidelines

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Anonymous #4 3w

Yes…? I don’t think you know what your talking about. You take an oath to the constitution and follow the chain of command within its guidelines. Soldiers follow lawful civilian authority, not partisan

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Anonymous #4 3w

And it’s that’s fascist so is every other country in the world

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Anonymous #2 3w

But trump did not tell them that their oath was to the constitution, and why would you make every general meet so you can threaten to fire them if you were going to do something that’s not illegal

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Anonymous OP 3w

Replying to 6 But to answer the question anyway, people say antifa want to “destroy the country” but that doesn’t mean anything when antifa isn’t an organization and does not hold any positions of any kind

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Anonymous #8 3w

So in your mind what do anti facist call themselves?

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Anonymous #9 3w

Historically they called themselves “the allies”. But if a genuine threat of fascism emerged they would come up with something. Once again, names are buckets you can put anything into. You know organizations by their actions, not their names. A great example is calling yourself anti fascist and actually just going around beating up your political opponents regardless of their beliefs.

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Anonymous #2 3w

yea bc the US would always intervene

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Anonymous #4 3w

Why would you make every general meet so you can threaten to fire them if you were going to do something that’s illegal and televise the threat?

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Anonymous #11 3w

Was the USSR non-interventionist? If we take your premise that it was the intervention that caused the failures, then either the USSR wasn’t as prolific with it as the US or capitalism is less vulnerable to foreign interference.

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Anonymous #8 3w

You use the word communism like it’s evil… u might not agree with communism or may even think it is a joke of an ideology- but that doesn’t make it illegal??

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Anonymous sea_cooking45 3w

No, it’s not illegal. But assaulting people on the street for disagreeing with you is. “ANTIFA” is an ideology of violence against political opponents and thus I find it reprehensible, rest assured I would offer the same condemnation for equivalent behavior from any ideology. The fact that the ideology of ANTIFA is explicitly communist is not of concern to that.

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Anonymous #8 3w

How is it an ideology of violence? Because some bad actors take advantage of protests to break shit? “Antifa” is not an ideology, it’s literally just a saying and vague stance against facism. The republicans just want to label anyone using the phrase “antifa” as a terrorist so that they can extend that label to anyone against authoritarianism

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Anonymous #4 3w

Communism isn’t inherently violent yet requires the seizing of the means of production from those who would not give it up willingly, thus requiring the use of force aka violence. The same is true for Antifa. Fascism isn’t something that can be opposed by peaceful unintrusive demonstrations. It is something fought in the street, not at the ballot box.

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Anonymous #2 3w

chat do you. know why it hasnt worked???? because america kept performing coups or starting wars with said country.

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Anonymous #14 3w

Do you have a response to what I brought up?

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Anonymous #4 3w

To be fair the presidents whole job is the commander in chief

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Anonymous #4 3w

The framework of the US Govt prevents any president whoever elected from reaching the power that Hitler had a year after he was elected. You think presidents deploying the national guard and corporate lobbying is new? 😂😂

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Anonymous #17 3w

“But guys, starting a facist empire is illegal!!!” Be so fr man

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Anonymous #17 3w

Things that are unprecedented in the administration: sending other states national guards to cities when the governors and mayors don’t want them there Hiring cabinet members solely based on loyalty and firing anyone who goes against you Using airport tvs to play political messages to spread lies about a government shutdown

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Anonymous #17 3w

Our “checks and balances” don’t work with an administration that will lie about anything and everything with no accountability. Trump has pushed out illegal executive orders faster than courts can block them. Congress republicans are keeping the house shut down to stop the release of the Epstein files. And their is not a single way the American people can make them accountable for this until next years election cycle

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Anonymous sea_cooking45 3w

And you’re right, I am saying communism is inherently evil. I say that because of two factors. first, it’s completely incorrect in its basic conceptions of human nature and economics. Secondly, it’s intrinsically forceful and violent. The combination of those factors are what makes it evil. It’s not evil to be wrong, it’s not evil to use force. It is evil to use force to attempt to enforce an incorrect position.

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Anonymous #8 3w

You’re confusing a consensual communist state with ones like Russia under stalin. It is not “against nature” to say that all people can provide for each other and have ownership of their own labor. Studies have shown that people, time and time again, will still work when they have no pressure to simply for the satisfaction of contributing to society. You can argue all you want about how communism can’t be integrated into modern American, which I think is true, but to say that communism relies on

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Anonymous #4 3w

Violence is blatantly false

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Anonymous #4 3w

No it does. Karl Marx spoke at length of how violence is a requirement for the revolution. In fact he criticized socialists that sought peaceful change saying they were “necessarily doomed to fail.”

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Anonymous #5 3w

You are talking about the implementation of communism immediately onto a capitalist society, which, of course, cannot be done in one lifetime. Again, I’m not saying that we should try to implement it here, but to say that it “requires violence” is completely wrong. The only reason it would be a violent revolution like Marx suggests is if the rich and powerful refused to give up their excess of wealth, which they obviously would

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Anonymous #4 3w

I’m not confusing the two. I simply believe that “consensual communism” on the scale of a “state” is demonstrably impossible. It’s a false ideology, and Marx recognized that which is why he advocated a “transition period” characterized by “dictatorship of the proletariat” and “revolutionary terror”. Both of those concepts being intrinsically violent and explicitly murderous.

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Anonymous #4 3w

You’re right, it’s only violent if people don’t go along, But the same is true of almost every ideology. Fascism is also only violent if people fight back. But that’s not a valid argument that these ideas are non violent because they contradict human nature, thus intrinsically people will ALWAYS fight back.

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Anonymous #8 3w

Facism is an unsustainable way to run a country, and requires war and oppression (state violence) to maintain itself. I don’t have all day to talk abt this stuff but like, please read a book, or at least an article from people studying facism in the US

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Anonymous #4 3w

“Fascism is an unsustainable way to run a country.” Yes… and so is communism. Almost every one of the reasons that makes fascism unworkable also makes communism unworkable. And both require state violence against the so called “regressive” forces that oppose them (mostly people who just don’t agree with the batshit ideology they are both peddling.)

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Anonymous #5 3w

Tbh you’re not gonna do shit though, so stop talking about violent revolutions and order more DoorDash and watch some Netflix

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Anonymous #18 3w

I never supported violence broski, and I’m genuinely certain I’ll do more for my community than people like you who think that everything is fine as it is

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Anonymous #4 3w

You’ll see I commented #5 and not #4

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Anonymous #8 3w

Again, please read a book, any of them, just pick one and stop listening to YouTubers talk about politics

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Anonymous #18 3w

My b G

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Anonymous #4 3w

This kind of shit has been happening since Andrew Jackson so nothing really new here… Trumps executive action and the GOP filibustering are both common things that happen in DC and have happened under Biden as well. Try again

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Anonymous #17 3w

Trump is an Israel shill that does reverse cowgirl on Netanyahu

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Anonymous #18 3w

^traitor

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Anonymous #3 3w

You’re an L

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Anonymous #20 3w

A mean person they don’t like

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Anonymous #18 3w

I’m not a commie. I’m calling #4 out.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Don’t stop now keep coming with your answers. So a fascist is a mean person that doesn’t like people? If that’s a qualifications for fascist then they’re all over the place.

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Anonymous #2 3w

People really hate on you for speaking truth

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Anonymous #5 3w

See you’re trying to change the topic of our discussion. Everything is not sexist and everything is not racist. We were even talking about that.

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Anonymous #20 3w

I think you may have misinterpreted what #6 said, thus leading to a misinterpretation of what I commented. #6 was not saying that a fascist is “a mean person that doesn’t like people”. #6 was saying a fascist is “a mean person they (OP) don’t like”.

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Anonymous #5 3w

I was expanding on that with another two words that get thrown around in the same manner, racist and sexist.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Sexist or sex addiction is running rampant in our country. It has destroyed the spirit and soul and minds of many and women alike. God can help people to find freedom from that bondage and to restore sex as God intended it to be in their lives. As far as racism goes, there’s no place for it. We are all God’s creation, and we are all to be treated the same and to be respected. Anyone who hates or considers another race or culture to be less than them or of the lowest of any human that I know.

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Anonymous #5 3w

I see what you’re saying and I see my mistake. You’re right I did not read that correctly and I apologize.

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Anonymous #4 3w

Kind of like how it was under Obama and Biden.

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Anonymous #3 3w

When will you learn that there is no “free???”

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Anonymous #3 3w

Nothing’s free. If you do get free, education and free healthcare is because the taxpayer paid for it. If you want something in this country, then you have to earn it. As far as your major restriction on capitalism good luck with that.

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Anonymous #4 3w

It’s a bit of a strange stance to tell someone to “read a book” in an attempt to prove that communism is not violent. Perhaps I should start with gulag archipelago, or maybe one day in the life of Ivan desnisovitch. What about the history of the cultural revolution, or bloodlands? You know what, I’ll just reread Marx himself…. Funny, all of those books say communism is violent, very violent actually. Perhaps you should suggest a book that offers a different narrative.

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Anonymous #8 3w

I don’t give a shit what you think about communism, what’s truly abhorrent is your clear misunderstanding of facism

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Anonymous #4 3w

#8 agrees with you when it comes to the evil that is fascism. So either you just insulted your own understanding of fascism, or you misunderstood what #8 is saying.

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Anonymous #5 3w

#4 is getting ratio’d

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Anonymous #5 3w

Clearly not, to equate communism to facism and say “facism is only violent when people fight back” is the real statement I have a problem with

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Anonymous #18 3w

It’s cause this comment section is several days old and the only people still looking at it are no lifers (I just love to argue and have too much time on my hands rn)

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Anonymous #6 3w

Bro you are a Nazi

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Anonymous #8 3w

You’re developmentally disabled. Study more.

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Anonymous #4 3w

I think that statement “fascism is only violent when people fight back” is incorrect as well. Any regime is going to use violence, not only as a means of quelling dissent, but to get rid of those they perceive as posing a threat (ex. Falun Gong in China). Also did the possibility cross your mind that the people you’re calling no lifers might be the same as you, like to argue and have too much time on their hands?

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Anonymous #5 3w

Happy late Columbus Day

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Anonymous #5 3w

I guess my point is that facism, by definition, requires violence. If everyone woke up tomorrow and agreed to live in a communist society, everything would be fine. Is that realistic? No. But facism operates by oppressing groups of people to exploit them, there’s literally no other way for it to function. Also I’m more talking abt the people coming in here just to upvote/downvote, I appreciate people actually trying to add to the discussion

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Anonymous #18 3w

😆

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Anonymous #4 3w

Fascism is an authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology that emphasizes the nation or race above the individual. It is characterized by a dictatorial leader, a centralized government, and the forcible suppression of opposition. So are you and other people in this discussion implying that Trump and the Republicans are facist?

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Anonymous #4 3w

You have told me to “read a book” multiple times, yet you clearly don’t understand much about fascism. “If everyone woke up tomorrow and agreed to be a communist everything would be fine.” A. that’s not true, communism is impossible on economic and philosophical grounds, not just social ones. B. If everyone did the same with fascism everything would also be “fine.” (ignoring the same economic laws which would lead to the ultimate destruction of an ideal fascist state)

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Anonymous #4 3w

The trap you’re falling into is evaluating Fascism in practice against communism in theory. You need to evaluate them against each other on equal terms. Either murderous totalitarian police state vs murderous totalitarian police state or physically impossible dream vs physically impossible dream. You can’t evaluate a theoretical dream against a practical nightmare.

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Anonymous #20 3w

I’m certainly not.

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Anonymous #23 3w

Ah the ad hominem, the classic mark of someone with a serious contribution to make in any given conversation.

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Anonymous #23 3w

A bit more of an anarchist, but whatever

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Anonymous #6 3w

Oooooo so edgyyyyy

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Anonymous OP 3w

We’re going to silence people we disagree with - anti fascists

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