Anonymous _orangutan 24w

Antizionists make statements like “get the colonizers out”…how do you think that would be done?

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Anonymous #2 24w

It absolutely should.

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Two wrongs don’t make a right. The answer to genocide and displacement isn’t more genocide and displacement.

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Anonymous #4 24w

Yes, but they’ve never been people I’ve considered the brightest on the block. My Jewish friends are zionists who do not support the Netanyahu regime or Israel’s actions, but believe that both Israel and Palestine have a right to exist in safety and freedom. I stand with them.

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Anonymous #4 24w

I’m fucking exhausted from watching people condone speech calling for the expulsion of the Jewish people from Israel. Y’all are horrible and disgusting people, no better than the Israelis who say the same things towards Palestinians.

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Anonymous OP 24w

Based

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Read up on the types of Zionism

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Well, 1. Many Jewish people were there all along. 2. The land was theirs before the Romans even came up with the name Palestine, because, you know, they got expelled in the diasporas. No one needs to leave. They are all indigenous to the land, and anyone who says otherwise is propagating antisemitic rhetoric.

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I have plenty, but I’m too exhausted by the level of bullshit spewed on this. I can’t believe I’m watching my generation be this pro-violence.

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If this is about the recent West Bank settlers, I do think they should return to Israel. And Israel should be held accountable for its response in Gaza in a humanitarian way, but suggesting expulsion is barbaric and disgusting.

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Anonymous OP 24w

i’m jewish and antizionist and i grew up in a very jewish environment that was staunchly zionist. i still to this day do not entirely understand why people think we need our own country. jews are VERY diverse and it is both a religion and an ethnicity, therefore the whole idea that all jews are inherently attached to this land is so far removed and just does not work in the modern lens.

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Anonymous #4 24w

Multiple Jewish people I care about deeply have told me that Israel is the only place they’ve ever felt fully safe from antisemitism. Having a place where their culture is the norm means so much to them. I can’t relate as someone who left my culture, but I empathize with what they feel there.

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Do you not see how this logic works both ways? how Israelis will reference terror attacks for why they may not want to coexist with Palestinians. At some point we should stop encouraging displacing populations and annexing territories and agree upon borders. The constant one state rhetoric blow up any opportunity of that bc you’re endlessly justifying one side attacking the other. The self feeding cycle seems very obvious to me.

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I’m not talking about Israelis in this case, I’m talking about American Jewish people who lived there briefly or visit family there.

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It’s almost like both the Israelis and Palestinians have good reason to be terrified of each other and the only solution is peace building initiatives that help them build trust and start to work together.

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Anonymous OP 24w

and i completely get that but we need to understand that israel is not necessarily a home to every jew and zionism often doesn’t include every jew. i’d rather address and combat the antisemitism in the world (esp in the US) than feel like my entire identity as a jew boils down to a piece of land so far removed from my ancestry.

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Anonymous #4 24w

That’s fair, and my hostility is not directed at you. I’m pissed off at the people who don’t realize that what they’re calling for would just lead to more genocide and displacement.

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What do you think happened during Oct 7th? Palestine went into homes and killed people with guns. Yes I’m also not for West Bank settlements? I don’t think West Bank settlements call for the destruction of Israel and the displacement of Jews that’s what is currently being argued.

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Palestinians*

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The West Bank settlers should return to Israel imo. Make another argument if you’re just trying to argue.

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So you just agree with us? that’s the point of the post…

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Maybe I should clarify that I’m more angry with pro-Palestine only people than Pro-Israel only people because I only ever really see the opinions of pro-Palestine only people because I’m in leftist spaces. If I saw more pro-Israel only takes, I’d be more mad at them too, because both are bullshit.

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When did I say they should just take it? It’s a war, both had a right to defend themselves. But peace and co-existence are the goal.

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When did either of us say the onus was on Palestinians? A long term humanitarian solution would be an agreement between the two parties on land and populations.

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Yes they clarified already that they wanted settlers to leave.

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We’re not gonna have the same president forever hopefully popular sentiment in the U.S. has shifted enough we can have a more critical stance with Israel. Obviously as sad and gross as it is, as an American I’m first worried about my country not being a weird authoritarian place before I’m worried about Gaza. In 2012 66% of Israelis supported a two state solution obviously after Oct 7th that fell by a lot. I think that can happen again hopefully we have some form of Palestinian self governance.

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In Gaza that can show that Palestinians can control land without large terror attacks.

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But the thing that keeps holding it up is bad actors on both sides that’s why I find the one state solution usually gives rhetorical ammo to those people who would wish to to wipe out one side or the other.

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I think shooting up a music festival is generally bad faith. I think sending rockets at civilians is bad faith etc. that’s how they are and have been bad faith actors. Gaza was pretty insignificant compared to economy when came to Kamala. Israel is not a large portion of our budget just like U.S. aid isn’t, just like Egypt isn’t just like Ukraine isn’t. No they aren’t that closely linked, I’m not implying anything I’m speaking pretty directly.

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Idk why other dead people would make another side not morally responsible for dead people but ok. We’re not talking what’s worse what an irrelevant point. Bc I don’t care about IDF training ICE who directs ice is 1000x more important. Idk take that up with republicans who don’t want to pay for social services idk what you want me to say.

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Literally no one said that you’re arguing with a ghost just like when made up we were pro settlements. I don’t think netanyahu is a good actor either but Hamas doesn’t justify his bad actions and his bad action don’t justify hamas’s bad actions. Again Israel not stopping Hamas doesn’t take any autonomy from Hamas or any moral responsibility for their actions.

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