Anonymous blue__wave 5d

And it also doesn’t fix the underlining cultural problems that make a demagogue like Trump possible.

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Anonymous #1 5d

Ik it looks bad but it’d be the lesser of two evils and it ensures that republicans cannot destroy democracy

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Unfortunately it’s necessary. This might be the only way to save democracy

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Anonymous OP 5d

the republican party has been around for 150 years. it’s not gonna “destroy democracy.” if anything, mistrust and violence between parties will cause it’s destruction. you can’t just blame all the country’s problems on one side and think it’ll be magically fixed if you do🤦🏼‍♂️

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Anonymous OP 5d

“We must protect democracy but destroying democracy the same way we fear they will destroy democracy”

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Anonymous OP 5d

How is it necessary? You’re feeding into the narrative that motivates the behavior. I feel if most people just had more civics knowledge and better ways of engaging with info Trump would be cooked.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

If republicans win again they will install a dictatorship. We cannot allow that

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Anonymous og_beer 5d

If we don’t do this then republicans will install a dictatorship and completely destroy democracy. Sometimes we need to take a small step backwards before moving forward to avoid a monumental step backward.

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Anonymous OP 5d

plus the maga movement is full of people who are extremely far-right. the republican disapproval rating for trump is at a record high. not every registered republican is some nazi

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Anonymous #3 5d

The Republican Party has never been like this before. They’ve always been bad but never fascist

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Anonymous OP 5d

Your dictatorship is obviously a much better idea of course

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Anonymous OP 5d

Right now it’s not lookkng great for republicans electorally mid terms are historically rough for sitting presidents and Trump has the lowest approval rating of any President in U.S. history. Like if they hardcore attempted to rig the midterms that would radicalize me but right now it’s fine. The electrical trajectory isn’t looking great.

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Anonymous og_beer 5d

Because it won’t be a dictatorship. There will still be free and fair elections without Nazi interference and influence

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Anonymous OP 5d

Right right yeah blocking half the country’s voters makes things free and fair you’re right I’m following you now

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Anonymous #3 5d

Which is why their voting privileges should only be suspended and not revoked. We will give them a chance to do the right thing in the future

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Anonymous OP 5d

And to do what you’re asking we would either 1. Have to have our own left wing authoritarian which has its own problems or 2. Radically change the constitution which isn’t on the board right now. It’s just bad optics and unnecessary.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Right now a better path is to push dems hard until the midterms then push hard for impeachment then bar him from office or just wait until his poor health takes him. Ideally if possible push for the charges to resume after he leaves office.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

It won’t be authoritarian. The Democratic Party is pretty right leaning compared to European countries. Without the Republican Party our politics will shift towards Europe

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

They’ll lose this time but we need to ensure our future while we have the chance

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Anonymous OP 5d

It would be authoritarian our constitution would not allow this.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Ok but just banning people from voting or talking isnt fixing the problem.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

It’s not banning them it’s just suspending them.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

There would need to be amendments during the next president’s term

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Anonymous OP 5d

Ok temporally banning or suspending isn’t fixing the underlining cultural issue that’s the problem.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yeah that won’t happen, if you get an amendment through then clearly maga isn’t a problem because that would take massive majority support.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

That’s what 3 is for. Banning supporting republicans and Nazis allows for that cultural change

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Anonymous OP 5d

Kinda but that happened after the holocaust was fully revealed and their country was occupied and de-nazified for years. Not saying we need that but the more important thing is a serious culture change that’s more important than banning whatever.

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Anonymous #5 5d

actually 1 way is that most republicans don’t (for now) call for the direct prohibition of the democratic party as an institution

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Anonymous OP 5d

Like I would be more interested in some basic transparency laws for social media or a serious change is civics education.

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Anonymous #5 5d

Unfortunately it’s very similar to what they want to do. But in this case we’re doomed to use the tools of our enemy if we want to win

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

In a way the left needs to “occupy” the country in order to de-nazify it. It worked perfectly in when they did that in Germany.

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Anonymous OP 5d

did u miss every instance as kids where we were told two wrongs don’t make a right

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Anonymous #5 5d

We’ve tried to take the moral high ground for years and because of it republicans are on the verge of fully taking over the country

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Anonymous OP 5d

im not saying to take the moral high ground. what you are proposing is certain to backfire on democrats, which i think doesn’t yield the results we want, puts marginalized people in danger AND is the morally incorrect thing to do

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yeah it also blew up in our face in Iraq. You can’t just ban ideas you need to offer something. Also legally and practically your plan just isn’t going to work.

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Anonymous OP 5d

sorry to tell u that ur pie in the sky delusions of banning the republican party won’t happen. so any subsequent consolidation of executive power done by a democrat will carry over with adverse effects when a republican inevitably regains power

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Anonymous #5 5d

What I’m proposing is the only way to ensure republicans can’t oppress the American people in the future

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Anonymous OP 5d

i can’t think of a single better way to embolden republicans to oppress democrats than attempting to ban their existence but alright bro

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

It blew up in our face in Iraq because republicans had a hand in it

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Anonymous #5 5d

Which is what 3 is for. It criminalizes supporting fascist. They’ve been bootlicking fascists for years now it’s time to turn the law in our favor

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Anonymous OP 5d

…do you think republicans will just calmly go out into the sunset under this plan or something?

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Anonymous #5 5d

I know they won’t. We can use ICE and the national guard against them like they’ve been doing

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Anonymous OP 5d

Lmao true.

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Anonymous OP 5d

and what do you expect to happen after that?

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Anonymous OP 5d

how would ice / the ng be able to distinguish democrats from republicans? what abt non voters and third party voters?

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Think about it. It went so well after WW2. We can have the same success

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Anonymous #5 5d

If you voted for Trump in 2024 you lose voting privileges for a couple elections. The Republican Party is forcibly dissolved and number 3 only applies for the future

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Anonymous OP 5d

you didn’t answer my question. how would ice and the national guard be able to tell who voted for trump

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Anonymous #5 5d

There’s no way that the voting records can’t be accessed

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Anonymous OP 5d

I don’t think you convinced me but if it gets nazi germany levels of bad I agree.

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Anonymous OP 5d

right. so do you see the issue?

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

We need to stop everything BEFORE it gets Nazi Germany level bad. If we let it get that far we won’t be able to stop it

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Anonymous #5 5d

I said there’s no way they CANT be accessed

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Anonymous OP 5d

how do you know that? do you think red states would hand that data (if they even have it) over?

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Anonymous #5 5d

They can be forced by the federal government. And if not I guess number 1 doesn’t work. But with numbers 2 and 3 it should still be fine

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yes I agree, but the action you take needs to be justified for example we can kill everyone on earth so there isn’t another Hitler. I’m saying we haven’t met that level to justify your actions and it’s not practically possible.

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Anonymous OP 5d

all 3 points are unconstitutional and wouldn’t be supported by the necessary numbers in either chamber of congress

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Look at the young republicans group chat that got leaked. There are hundreds of potential future hitlers. The threat is absolutely there to justify everything I proposed

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Anonymous #5 5d

Unfortunately there may need to be unconstitutional actions taken. Trust me I don’t say that lightly and I hate saying it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Nobody would be killed they would just lose all political power

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Anonymous OP 5d

you are saying it incredibly lightly and acting like there is no room for this to backfire

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Anonymous OP 5d

the concept of thinking nobody would be killed while mass arresting the side with more guns than people

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yeah I’m not saying you’re saying that it’s just an analogy.

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Anonymous #5 5d

It needs to be handled with extreme care because it does have potential to backfire. But if you look at the direction the Republican Party is going in I think the risks are justified because of what is almost guaranteed if the risks aren’t taken

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Anonymous OP 5d

Yeah but that’s not every Republican I agree it alarming but the action we take against it has to be 1.practically possible and 2. Lead to the best outcome.

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Anonymous #5 5d

If they’re willing to use those guns against the government then that is even more reason the arrests would be necessary

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Anonymous OP 5d

i don’t know what abt mass arrests is handling with extreme care but luckily this will happen anyway

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 5d

It would not be a smooth process but it would be worth it in the end

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Anonymous #5 5d

will never *

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Anonymous OP 5d

starting to think this is rage bait

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Anonymous OP 5d

Then it would make the democratic party the only major political party, thus making us look extremely hypocritical especially since we were just protesting against no kings

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Anonymous #1 5d

Does this not feel like a psyop lol?

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Like a Republican on here seeing if we’ll say crazy shit to justify the revenge fantasy.

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Anonymous #5 5d

they just want to classify it as a terrorist organization, which is totally ok!! (this is sarcasm)

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Anonymous #7 5d

i mean he didn’t really “win on their behalf,” they made the active choice to vote for him. i agree with ur comment as a whole but trumps record in his second term is pretty on par with what his voters wanted. if anything, he hasn’t gone as far as many of his voters would like

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I think that’s debatable I don’t think most republicans wanted him to send the FCC after media orgs he didn’t like. I also think saying a policy is cool and based if different when you actually live through it.

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what do you mean? he didn’t just magically win the presidency and appear in the white house, people had to vote him in

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

i would agree with this if there was any organic backlash from grassroots maga voters about what u brought up, of which there hasn’t been

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Anonymous #7 5d

right. so i’m not sure what ur argument is when u tried to distinguish trump from his voters in ur og comment

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Anonymous #5 5d

There was very little true, I think Ben Shapiro said something so you have that. But also if I had to guess the vast majority of republicans don’t even know about it or they think Jimmy Kimmel just had bad ratings or something stupid.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

u can correct me if i’m wrong but isn’t ben shapiro kinda irrelevant now? like i was under the impression charlie kirk, candace owens, nick fuentes and people like the nelk boys/other bro sphere all had much more relevance

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Anonymous #5 5d

i didn’t 😭 he’s acting on the campaign promises he made that his voters liked so much that they voted for him

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Anonymous #5 5d

I don’t think he’s irrelevant he’s definitely the only big moderate left in the right wing media sphere.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

i wouldn’t consider him moderate but i take ur point

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Anonymous #5 5d

Not at this point at least during Jan 6th he called it an insurrection and he’ll actually occasionally criticize Trump that’s the closest you get to a moderate for most republicans. Unless they’re never Trumpers which would be the actual moderates.

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Anonymous #5 5d

Right before Trump got elected he even admitted “yeah he might do another power grab but the institutions will probably hold” which is insane and not moderate but I think it sums him up pretty well.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

ig we’re using moderate in a slightly different context, cuz to me him being more moderate than overt fascists just makes him a reg conservative rather than a genuine moderate. i agree he’s moderate relative to the current republican party tho

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Anonymous #5 5d

Yeah I guess that’s what I mean.

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Anonymous OP 5d

So like. What happens in the future when the restrictions are lifted or there’s some massive bait and switch campaign where a conservative comes into office. You’ve established is acceptable and now legal to suspend conditional voting rights for political dissent. they use the very groundwork you laid to suspend your voting rights. But this is fine because you did it first to save us?

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Anonymous og_beer 5d

don’t worry bro all the republicans will be deprogrammed already and everything will be sunshine and butterflies thanks to op

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