Anonymous #2 3w

they basically said i was being selfish

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Anonymous #2 3w

you’ll be a victim of fascism instead!

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

I am neither mentally nor physically built for violence…neither are a lot of other folks out here

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yeah, but they like to think they are 😭 I don’t know if a lot on here could handle firing a rifle.

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Anonymous #2 3w

it doesn’t matter. the fascists don’t care. they’ll just kill. this is why they’re attacking every single protection that allows people with disabilities to survive. soon they will not even be able to graduate high school, and will be effectively barred from wage labor

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

The best recourse for some of us is to vote for the best option and move on. We don’t all want to be katniss everdeen

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Anonymous #2 3w

no one wants to have to defend themselves, but sometimes you have to

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

🙄

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Ur right, republicans are attacking protections and benefits. The best recourse for that is to vote for those who won’t

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Anonymous #2 3w

because they are currently, and have previously, done so much to prevent Republicans for doing so

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Anonymous #2 3w

I mean Republican recourse in MN was literally 2 assassinations with pretty much no negative consequences for the party, seems rather effective in the grand scheme of it all

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

I mean that jeffries dude did a whole filibuster for the “big beautiful nonsense” It was ultimately ineffective b/c dems dont hold a fed. legislative chamber

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

ya unless someone is directly in front of me about to hurt me, imma sit on my ass and watch everyone else fight. i’m not made for that. i’m made to die in zombie apocalypses and crap like i’ll horde food if needed, but im not about to just fight to fight fuck that

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Anonymous #1 3w

Exactly, and i’m like 5’6” 140 lb i aint built for allat I’m too scared to even merge on highways 😭😭

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Anonymous #1 3w

this is how the Holocaust happened. lots of normal people let it happen. apathy is death

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

You’re not doing much to prevent it either.

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

more than the folks supporting the moderate wing of fascism. y’all couldn’t even be convinced not to arm a genocidal state yet think y’all can defend ‘democracy’

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

oh I care, but I know my ass isn’t gonna be the one capable of doing any positive change. i’d be one to protest and get my ass beat to death on the street like that’s my luck dude

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

all the while functioning against those who actually have an alternative to fascism and neoliberal capitalism

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

You are quite literally the equivalent of a fascist though 😭 You reject liberal democracy and embrace an ideology that ALWAYS ends up with vanguard party authoritarianism. You’ve admitted before you’re a single party rule supporter 😂

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

Just for some context orangutan is for ethno states you should ask them about that lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I’ve gone back and forth with him for over a year. I’m quite aware of his dogshit lefty views. Ethnostate for me but not for thee.

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

Same, unironically believes ethno states are based as long as they aren’t white.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Yeaaah. He’s a white guilt guy.

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

Is he white lol I was wondering that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

you live in an ethnostate btw

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Just a white boy from South Carolina doing the most he can to get an invitation to the cookout.

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

How is the US an ethno state?

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Wait if you want all the white people to go live in Europe are you fine with European ethno states?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

inb4 some shit like “white heteronormative hegemony”

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

Fr he’s trying to get the pass smh

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

it’s actively trying to question citizenship for nonwhites whilst putting vast swaths of the working class in concentration camps. oh and second-class citizenship was only ‘abolished’ 60 years ago. the systemic racism that exists is systemic because it’s an ethnostate lmfao

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

So the Trump admin wants an ethno state, if your referencing laws that are changing then that would mean the previous laws weren’t ethno state like. The same thing applies if you’re referring laws in the past that means the current laws aren’t ethno state like. So again how is the U.S. an ethno state?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

It’s really not that hard you don’t have to go full hotep, I started working for social security and I got invited to the cookout 5 times in a year bc I can dance to Earth Wind & Fire

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

i really do not care to argue about how the US is a white supremacist state. if you want to deny your own history, then so be it

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

biden holds the record for most people deported during a presidential term just fyi

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

If an ethno state is just when systemic racism is a thing that would apply to almost every country. Almost every country has disadvantaged ethnic groups also idk what country has a better model in the 1960s.

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

We’re not talking about history dipshit you said the U.S. is a current ethno state.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Is an ethno state when you deport non residents now lol? So every country is an ethno state. Also deportations aren’t inherently bad I don’t want an undocumented 2nd class group in this country. Deportations are bad when you’re throwing them in cecot or you’re going into neighborhoods and you’re throwing out people who have ties to the community.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

nothing exists in a vacuum. the US and its policies and attitudes today are inseparable from its past

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Anonymous #3 3w

Based

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

so it’s only based when your fave does it, noted

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

I agree they are inseparable from the past. That doesn’t mean you should conflate the past and the present. Is Italy currently the Roman Empire bc you can’t separate the past and the present? You’re obviously being dishonest.

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Anonymous #6 3w

No I already stated how it’s meaningfully different if you can’t understand the difference between deporting someone and sending someone to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Then I’m grateful you’re privileged enough there’s no meaningful difference for you.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

ah yes, because i am conflating the past with the present by mentioning that the US is questioning citizenship and sending nonwhite peoples to concentration camps. regardless when you look in American history, what i said above is true, yet you think this isn’t an ethnostate? white people have always and STILL wield political and economic power in the US. nonwhite peoples have not. that’s what makes this country a white ethnostate

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

segregation was explicitly outlawed less than 60 years ago btw. idk if you wanna call that “the past” when your grandparents were alive and well (and probably advocating for segregation). i would assume it takes a lot longer than that to actually dismantle that kind of system bc implicit segregation can still remain (that’s why we had dei)

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

do you… think trump built all brand new prisons to send these people to? or do you think they magically erupted out of nowhere? idk you seem to not recall the cages the obama built and biden also reused

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Anonymous #6 3w

Yes bc a legal process has to happen to accept people in. What would you rather they do just let unoccupied minors along with other vulnerable populations into the country undocumented? It’s better than Trump keeping them out in border towns where they are significantly less likely to get asylum.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Also Biden did things like humanitarian parole and tried to increase asylum judges to decrease people held at these facilities. All things Trump ended.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Meanwhile maga is giggling about feeding migrants to alligators at new Trump facilities, but yes all sides are the same you aren’t just uneducated on immigration policy.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

yes i would rather just let them in. bc they’re human beings and safer that way. that’s a no brainer. the legal process can be done without keeping them in cages.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Don’t you understand! Republicans want to feed kids to alligators but Democrats have definitely said they’d feed children to crocodiles if they are wrapped in Pride flags! This happened!!

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

this is from 2021 btw

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Anonymous #6 3w

Ok I agree that the system should be more humane guess what party has put resources in to make it more humane and which party actively fights against that?

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Anonymous #6 3w

I guess they can remove the fence if that makes you pro democrat, but you still have to hold people so we can figure out what to do with them, instead of them just being in the country as a 2nd class of undocumented people.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

um neither. i just said obama and biden made and put them in the cages. you can’t make cages more humane.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

no, you don’t have to hold people to keep track of them or “figure out what to do with them”. they’re not cattle, they’re human beings. there are ways to humanely give them housing and resources to live here while they wait to get documentation. how do you think it worked when pilgrims first came here? you think they held all the new arrivals in a cage in the town square until the current residents approved of them? it’s not that difficult my guy

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

white folks seemed to have no problem taking in undocumented africans, enslaving them and forcing them to work on their plantations. now when it’s not of any benefit to you to let them be undocumented until your lazy asses can stand tf up and get their documentation, all of a sudden you have a problem of keeping track of them? why do you insist on having control of non white people?

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Anonymous #2 3w

tell me you don’t know anything about revolutionaries past without telling me you don’t. revolutions don’t always require every single individual to be violent. on that same note, you can’t just vote away fascism.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I can’t tell if you’re purposely being this stupid or if this is genuine. 1. if they were cattle you wouldn’t be putting them through an asylum process. 2. Pilgrims were colonial settlers they weren’t asylum seekers idk what the point of referencing that even is. We already do give them housing that what Trump was screaming about Roosevelt hotel in NY

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Anonymous #6 3w

That’s why*

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Anonymous #6 3w

Again maybe you think allowing people to have asylum and slavery are the same thing I’m glad you’re privileged enough in your life that you can believe that, but for normal people it’s better to document people and give them a legal chance to stay in this country.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Again I’m for more asylum judges just like Joe Biden so we can process more people faster.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

first of all, i brought up slavery and pilgrims to bring attention to the fact that yall love to control and torture anyone who doesn’t look or sound like you, the only ppl you complain about being undocumented. you only care about letting ppl in if it benefits YOU, not anyone else. second of all, while i never even claimed slavery was akin to asylum (work on your reading comprehension),it shouldn’t involve putting ppl in cages, separating families, limiting basic necessities, and torturing ppl.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

new york is a great example of how alternative housing for asylum seekers is possible, and the biden admin even promoted alternatives to detention. however, despite campaign promises to end the use of private prisons, the biden admin also continued and expanded contracts for private companies for immigration detention. again, these facilities are the cages that we see in the photos. asylum is a business that the democrats and republicans have their hands in.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Yeah obviously bc I disagree with your analysis on immigration policy that means I love to control and torture people that’s rlly good faith and not unhinged. I don’t want any undocumented people here ideally I don’t care what their skin tone is lol. You’re the only one who’s begging that I’m secretly racist so we can have a convo about that instead of how clueless you are on this topic. I’m just not talking this schzio ramble seriously.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Ok cool if you agree Biden was better on immigration then vote dem simple and get other people to vote dem. Just bc he doesn’t fulfill his entire platform doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote for him.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Also I like how I have to read what you say more closely while you're accusing me of being pro torture. If you're gonna be bad faith im gonna shit talk cope and take your meds.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

listen dude, you were the one that said asylum isn’t that bad, you’re for more “asylum judges” as you said. i’m simply telling you what that entails. you say you don’t want undocumented immigrants so you simply just support what your fave is doing without any meaningful critique bc “at least it’s not as bad as what trump’s doing”. your fave supports throwing kids in cages and separating them from their parents, that’s exactly what you support by not critiquing biden and holding him accountable.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

and i stand by the fact that you’re racist bc i know damn well if it happened to your white family and friends you would be up in arms. meanwhile i actually have skin in the game. i have and will continue to be personally affected. you’re advocating for the least inhumane conditions, and i’m advocating for more humane conditions altogether. we’re not the same. and until you actually get that through your thick skull the conditions will only stay the same or get worse.

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Anonymous #6 3w

wow y’all are still going Look criticizing these guys is not just okay, it’s encouraged I just don’t think it’s logical to not vote for the least harmful option when the time comes

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Anonymous #2 3w

i literally never said to not vote bruh i just said that if you’re gonna vote democrat at least hold them accountable for the awful shit they do. just bc they’re “better than trump” doesn’t mean everything they’re doing is right.

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Anonymous #6 3w

alright just as long as we agree on that much

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Anonymous #2 3w

like that’s the thing that’s disappointing about liberals, they vote bc they either genuinely agree with everything the democrats do good and bad (like this blue wave guy) or it’s “lesser of two evils” but just accept that the lesser evil is the best we’ve got without advocating for change. you’re choosing a progressive candidate for them to make progress, not pander to the right or not change anything.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Do you not know what asylum means lmao?? I’m saying I want the U.S. to accept more refugees and help out backed up systems do you think asylum = torture what lol? I’ll say this again deportation isn’t inherently bad I’ve already told you the meaningful difference twice at this point either actually engage with what I’m saying or you keep spamming out I’m pro torture ig.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I would much rather my family would be able to be processed rather than being forced to live in whatever awful condition they’re leaving. How am I advocating for less humane conditions what specifically have I said pls god tell me instead of making up my positions.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I don’t agree with everything the democrats. I’m glad you can have an imaginary version of me in your head that you can argue with. You literally admitted in this convo Biden changed things idk pandered to the right either?

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Anonymous #6 3w

Also what’s your skin in the game?

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Anonymous #6 3w

“The thing that’s disappointing about liberals”. Bruh…this is the same poster 4 hours later 😂 Have you ever actually seen this person talk about anything that isn’t a critique?

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

It’s not, as I said in the comment that somehow kicked this whole thread off ittibitti blocked me

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

#6’s view is that folks should be willing to criticize who they vote for, which i agree with!

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Anonymous _orangutan 3w

Yes and I already responded to “the U.S. is questioning citizenship of people” as well. I’m responding to your other point where you’re dishonestly conflating the past with the present. you obviously know that idk why you acted like it was criticism of your other point. Idk if weed has fried your brain or you’re just being dishonest.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Yes that’s literally what the past means, 60 years ago was the past. That’s not my argument I agree systemic problems do exist I’m saying that doesn’t make the US an ethno state. Again I can’t tell if you guys are purposefully, being dishonest or not bc I explicitly clarified this.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

every convo i’ve had with you you agree with democrats. when you don’t you agree with even worse takes from moderates and conservatives. like id love for you to share w the class what you disagree with

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

take a wild guess what my skin is.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Yeah bc why would I circle jerk over dumb criticisms of dems? I have my own criticisms I don’t see the point of voicing them when people on here are overly critical of the dems for bad reasons. I truly don’t care if I agree with conservatives or moderates I don’t form my political beliefs around whatever people find progressive I base them around what I think is correct.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I thought him pardoning his son was bad I think he could’ve done more in Ukraine, I think him trying to get the equal rights amendment in was silly and wasn’t going to work, I think ideally he should’ve stepped down I understand the logic of why he wouldn’t. I’m sure there’s more I honestly don’t think about Biden that much post election bc he’s politically done.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

i’m sorry you have no sense of what recency is but > 60 years ago is literally not that long ago at all. as in joe biden was an active senator to oppose busing to desegregate schools in the 70’s. school desegregation was still a problem into the 80’s, i would know bc one of my parents was part of school desegregation.

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Anonymous #6 3w

< 60 years ago**

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Anonymous #6 3w

Oh lmao I thought you had actual skin in the game like you had family members who had some vulnerable immigration status, so be clear you don’t have any personal relationship to the asylum system?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

those aren’t critiques buddy, im asking for detailed assessment of why you think it’s bad and something worth advocating to change.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

…no, i do. half of my family are refugees. some of them have been held in asylum cages before. my friends and their families have also dealt with similar experiences.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Wdym I think it should change presidents shouldn’t pardon their sons? I guess I can’t explain why that’s bad.

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Anonymous #6 3w

We’re not talking about recency we’re talking about the past.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Or sorry I can explain why that’s bad*

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

i want you to explain why it’s bad to pardon your son as the president of the united states, yes.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Ok if that’s true then that would be actual skin in the game I agree.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Bc I think the spirit of the pardon is to check on the judicial branch it’s not a way for people to escape justice bc their dad is the president.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

and i’m telling you that your evaluation of what’s in the past isn’t just anytime before today. something happening in the last 60 years or so has significant impacts on the present. if you’re talking about something 500 years ago that’s different, but within the last century is recent enough to influence the present. especially considering we have active politicians who passed laws at that time still active today.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I keep clarifying this and you keep acting like I’m not, idk if you selectively read or what. I AGREE IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. That’s the point I’m making I agree it impacts the present again that’s not the point I’m making pls god actually read fully what I say.

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Anonymous #8 3w

Yeah lol. Fuck the left. They do nothing but complain about liberals yet don’t actually contribute any sort of substance to the Democratic Party. Get bent, eat shit, go start your own shitty little unpopular party :^)

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Anonymous #8 3w

ML Vanguard authoritarians when they starve their populations be like

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Anonymous __joker__ 3w

Liberals actively starving people for profit will really look at like 3 famines and swear up and down communism is the greatest evil in the history of mankind

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Anonymous #8 3w

Oh shut up and go start your revolution already, ya fuckin’ blowhard

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