Anonymous #1 6w

You ppl would eat human shit if Trump was giving it to you

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Anonymous #3 6w

If Biden used your mouth as a toilet seat you wouldn’t care

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Anonymous #1 6w

Hey sooo American horse meat isn’t safe to eat

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

These are the same ppl injecting horse dewormer for covid it’s on brand

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Anonymous justinian 6w

Could someone explain if I am missing something please?

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

Too be fair they do need to probably be culled eventually (only dumbasses would sell the fucking meat though). Heard a few things about how they affect the environment out west but not 100% positive on it.

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Anonymous justinian 6w

These are wild horses. You gotta spend a lot of time to first domesticate it and tame it. Then you have to train it to do a job. You tend to do this early on the horses life with wild horses you get less time. Wild horses aren’t usually faster than race horses since they train from early on as well as have been selectively bread for racing. Tltr wild horses aren’t really worth it for anything but processing they are also invasive

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

Of course the evil SHEEP wants the horses to die, it just wants more grass to graze on

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Anonymous #2 6w

Grass to graze sure but have you ever eaten horse meat. It’s pretty good I had it in Italy

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

Nah I’ve never had horse, and I’m lowkey not gonna have any unless it’s a last resort

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Anonymous #10 6w

How will this affect the trout population

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Anonymous #10 6w

While horses WERE found in the western USA during the Pleistocene, they’ve been extinct for around 10,000 years and it’s kind of debated whether or not the ecosystem is compatible with them anymore or has changed so much in their absence that they are invasive. However what is known is how damaging the trampling, overgrazing, and water use of overpopulated horse herds are to western ecosystems. They need to be controlled

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Anonymous #10 6w

Wild horses don’t deserve special protection imo. It’s an emotional thing because they’re a domestic species. It’s not based off of their ecological value. At least they aren’t as bad here as in Australia though… and some people are trying to protect the incredibly invasive Australian herds.

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

It is horses are on about the same amount of drugs as any other livestock as is eaten elsewhere in the world

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

There’s only a partial ban on it

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Anonymous #2 6w

I actually work in fish science and let me tell you this admin is absolutely terrible for fish populations. But that’s unrelated to the horse stuff.

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Anonymous #10 6w

The US isn’t removing horses because they’re “damaging the land.” When they remove those horses they allow ranchers to put cattle and sheep on those allegedly over grazed lands. The horses from what I’ve been seeing don’t have that much of an impact on the environment especially before they started fencing off the land. The horses can’t migrate like they usually do

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

Not in the US as we don’t raise them for meat consumption. Especially within specific industries drug usage is extremely common

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Anonymous reallynow 6w

The same areas the BLM claim are over grazed by horses they put just as many cattle out there. There are better less expensive ways to manage the feral horses. They’ve developed a form of birth control that they can dart mares with and it prevents them from going into heat. The issue isn’t necessarily controlling their population because of ecological reasons…it’s to profit renting land to cattle and sheep farmers. Cattle and sheep do more damage to land than horses do. The donkeys here are-

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Anonymous reallynow 6w

Doing a hell of a lot more damage than the horses too ngl.

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Anonymous justinian 6w

These are mustangs. Mustangs aren’t used for racing, you’re thinking Quarter Horses and Thoroughbreds. Sure, a lot of these horses are healthy and are capable of being ridden. But they have to be trained. And training horses can take years and it takes time and money. I love mustangs but it’s more profitable for them to remove the horses for cattle and sheep than for them to wanna sell them. This is snort, he’s a mustang that was captured and auctioned off by the BLM.

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

Sheep are indeed quite valuable

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

This policy isn’t changing how many are removed from the wild. That’s about 9,500 every year. It’s just that they’re being sold to unvetted buyers for cheap. The NYT investigation didn’t find that any were being sold to slaughterhouses, just that we don’t know where they went. But why should they be treated any differently than other livestock?

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

Like even if they were greatly reducing the mustangs to replace them with cattle and sheep, so? They’re all non-native ungulates. This isn’t like slaughtering all the bison, and frankly I think focusing on this takes attention away from all the actually awful rangeland policy of the Trump admin (like prohibiting bison grazing)

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Anonymous #10 6w

These aren’t a native species. They haven’t been in North America for 10,000 years. And maintaining their feral population sustainably without a boom and bust cycle requires population culling. The cattle and sheep populations are managed and get harvested. What about the horses?

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Anonymous #10 6w

Like I think if our focus is on the welfare of these horses and that there needs to be more priority on bringing them to good homes, I get that (though the tens of thousands currently on BLM custody raises the question of how many good homes could even be found). But removing them from the wild isn’t the problem.

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

Cattle do have a negative impact on vegetation in many cases, however on a per-animal basis it’s generally less bad than horses (Kaweck et al 2018, Smith 1986). The BLM controls how many cattle are allowed to graze on their land, the horse population also needs to be managed. I’m fine doing it through sterilization, but frankly the bizarre feral horse lobby that exists is a big problem.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Like acting as if horses don’t have negative ecological impacts is different from saying you’d prefer different management strategies. I think because people are emotionally connected to horses, they want to protect them even when it clearly contradicts the science. This is a huge problem facing conservation in Australia. Horses are incredibly damaging there, but there’s a huge movement that falsely claims they are ecologically beneficial because people don’t want horses to be culled.

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Anonymous #10 6w

Like I think people just have hang ups about feral horses dying which we don’t have for actual wild species like deer which need culled where wolves are extirpated or for fully domestic species like cattle.

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Anonymous #1 6w

Democrats really don’t think of any of their politicians the way MAGA Republicans do. You guys worship Trump because it’s a cult. We don’t worship anyone.

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Anonymous #10 6w

There’s better ways of managing the horses and slaughter, especially when they’re protected under the Wild Horse Annie Act, isn’t the answer. Even the helicopter round ups cost a lot in tax payer dollars. I’m more so for sterilization personally. The damage the horses are doing is being debated but I also think the reason there’s so much damage is because they can’t migrate like they used to. Because of the fences not just the horses are able to move freely like they used to.

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Anonymous #10 6w

The horses do have their benefits tho. They eat invasive grasses the native species aren’t eating(cheatgrass) and also help manage dried vegetation that could lead to fires. During the winter they break ice smaller deer and sheep species can’t which gives them access to water over the winter. They’re also known for digging for water during droughts which again gives all species access to water. They also help disperse and fertilize plants through their manure. In some areas yes they can compact-

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Anonymous #10 6w

The dirt but in other areas they create micropaths used by other species and aerate the dirt. I’m not saying we shouldn’t manage their population that’ll go against what I stand for, every animal especially introduced species needs to have their populations managed. But under US law it is illegal to send feral horses and donkeys to slaughter both in and out of the US

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Anonymous #10 6w

It’s hypocritical to argue the horses should be removed because they’re harming the environment and then be fine with animals that harm the environment more than they do. Horses are more native to the US than domestic sheep and cattle. The American west is almost exactly the same as the Eurasian steppes this specific species of horse was domesticated from. They have more benefits than cattle and sheep do ecologically speaking

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Anonymous #10 6w

It doesn’t require a population cull lmao. There are better, cheaper, and more humane ways to manage feral horses populations in the US. As I stated, the BLM mostly wants to use that land for ranchers. If they were to continue darting mares with this form of birth control that prevents them from going into heat and removing mostly younger stallions and possibly giving them vasectomies(they do this to dartmoor ponies in England) we can reduce the population via lowered birth rates

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

I feel like their impact is pretty mixed, but I do think it’s fair to point out that 90,000 horses is a drop in the bucket ecologically compared to millions of cows and sheep.

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Anonymous #10 6w

That’s kinda my point. We remove about at most 14,000 horses a year. And then go back and put just as many cattle and sheep on those lands that are already over grazed. The horses cannot move freely like they did a hundred something years ago because of the fences. Horses are migratory animals that move from pasture to pasture because they know when they’re over grazing. Roads and fences prevent horses from being able to move into new grazing areas which leads to over grazing.

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Anonymous #10 6w

And I’m not against the culling of invasive species even when they’re domestic. I support the culling of feral cats. Many places catch and sterilize them and then turn them loose again but they’re still killing native rodents and birds. In Australia the brumbies should have culls because they’re doing way more damage there seeing Australia wasn’t meant to house large populations of large hoofed animals. In the US, we have other options. While smaller in population, the Kistache Wild Horses here-

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

As of recently yea there’s a partial ban, but it doesn’t change the fact that drugged horses’ll end up in the slaughter pipeline. Barrel horses, race horses, reiners, cutters, ropers, dressage, show jumping, ect. all have issues with the usage of illegal drugs in their sports.

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Anonymous themind._.ofhueyfreeman25 6w

Let us eat our horse in peace libtarg

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

thanks for explaining

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Anonymous evil_sheep 6w

Mustangs are already domesticated. They make good riding horses. Coming from a person who works with mustangs and other horse breeds, mustangs are just as good as any specifically bred horse. They excel in cattle work, riding long distances especially over rocky and rough terrain, and can be trained for any discipline. Ik this comment is old but the idea that mustangs “aren’t worth it” isn’t true.

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