Anonymous #1 6d

it would make the most satisfying sounds

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Anonymous #2 6d

??? I don’t see ur point

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Anonymous OP 6d

Well firstly, it not totally reasonable to want your neighbors to speak your language? Secondly, many liberals (while arguing) would insist that they would be "perfectly happy" in a neighborhood where no one speaks their language. Finally, "street tacos" or any ethnic food is always quickly brought up when asked about the benefits of diversity. Oh and "le heckin" is me making fun of Reddit speak

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Anonymous #2 6d

never heard anyone say “Reddit speak” before u just sound weird, nothing wrong with ethnic food that is literally what American food is, a bunch of different fusions of ethnic foods, having foreign neighbors is a core part of the American identity where there is no “American ethnicity”. Eventually you’ll be able to communicate with them and have cultural exchange. America was a mix of all sorts of cultures all throughout its history and to be against this is against the values of our country.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Yeah I put my Indian roommate onto SEC football lmfao he’s hype asf for it now. We eat interesting Indian snacks while watching games

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Anonymous #3 6d

ongg i love learning new languages to talk to new groups of people

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Anonymous OP 6d

Ethnic food is fine, but it’s not a justification for endless migration. We’ve got the recipe now. And I have no idea what you’re talking about with “foreign neighbors being core to American identity.” Since when? When European immigrants built entire enclaves just to live around people who spoke their language? Funny you mention “values of our country,” though — the U.S. literally had an English literacy requirement for immigrants until 1952.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Crazy that the eugenics movement lost popularity in the 40s. Also, old American exams don’t really mean shit if you’ve ever seen an early 20th century exam to be a military officer. It’s pretty much just asking what different brands are. Example: Levi Strauss makes _______. A: Cutlery B: Denim C: Furniture D: Medicine

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Anonymous #2 6d

Lmao try eating Indian food made by a white guy it’s bland asf. If I do want Indian food I drive 40 min to the place where the Indians are and the food is gas. The people are chill there’s no problems at all I even got a roommate from there. We’re all Americans or future Americans. Places of mass immigration like Ellis island didn’t have an English requirement it’s only a requirement for citizenship which no one wants to take away. Vast majority of immigrants know English or are learning.

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Anonymous #3 6d

"Eugenics" lmao. And why would I care about some officer exam from a hundred years ago? My point was just that it’s completely reasonable and moral to want your neighbors to speak the same language as you

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Anonymous #2 6d

Many immigrants do have communities but there is nothing wrong with ethnic enclaves because unlike in Europe where they stay insular and end up causing issues in America they blend and merge with other cultures and over time dissolve. Places on the east coast used to be Italian Irish and Jewish enclaves that have dissolved over time. Even chinatowns are in this process rn like in SF and Chicago

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Anonymous #2 6d

Fine If that’s your personal preference but this shouldn’t be what decides our immigration policy

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Anonymous OP 6d

ah yes because skin color magically adds seasoning to your food. If you mess up a recipe try again. You don't need 1 million Indians to do it for you

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Anonymous #2 6d

You should care about an officer exam from a hundred years ago if you care about an English literacy requirement for immigrants from 75 years ago. We didn’t even have an official national language until 2025 lmao

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Anonymous #2 6d

Probably one of the worst anti immigrant takes I’ve ever seen holy shit even in the South where I live every small town has a successful Chinese restaurant run by actual Chinese people because obviously even if there’s recipes everywhere now cooking is an intuitive skill 💀💀 guarantee you can’t tell the difference between “taco Tuesday” tacos vs real carne asada

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Anonymous OP 6d

I think we... agree?? Chinatowns get a pass from me because they are well kept and often look cool.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Why do you people act like every immigrant is here to open a restaurant? Again, we don't need endless Indians to make butter chicken. Are you saying Chinese people are born knowing how to fry rice?

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Anonymous #3 6d

I don't really care about the english literacy test but OP claimed living next to foreigners who don't speak your language was an "American value"

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Anonymous #2 6d

no ur so right the only real american values are eugenics and genocide

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Anonymous #1 6d

"Its genocide to have borders and immigration laws"

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Anonymous #2 6d

…i meant the actual genocide of native americans but thanks for the guess

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Anonymous #1 6d

america was built on this genocide and maintained its christian hegemony through eugenics. wanting your neighbors to speak the same language as you is reasonable, i wish i had Tamil neighbors too, but saying the reverse, that its reasonable to not want to live around people who dont speak the same language as you, was the very foundation of america’s ugliest legal precedents and greatest human rights violations

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Anonymous #2 6d

Bro are you slow I’m using ethnic food as an example of how the diversity of our immigrants adds to our American culture which itself is fluid through their experiences and values. We broadcast ourselves to the world as the “melting pot” where the poor and oppressed can have a chance at opportunity. Being able to integrate all these foreigners and add their strengths to our own is what made us great. Now these rich corrupt politicians and billionaires are pushing this nativist bs to destroy us

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Anonymous #2 6d

your grandma probably makes the best shortcake or cookies or apple pie that hits different despite you knowing the recipe. Same thing goes for immigrants where their experiences and intuition cannot be replicated when building a country or when cooking their food.

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Anonymous #2 6d

also, regarding immigration laws, are we familiar with the basis of these laws? their origins are in sinophobia, yellow peril, the dehumanization of a continent, justification for war, maintaining purity of the white race, etc. i don’t think legal precedent is the hill you want to die on

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Anonymous OP 6d

You used food it's the only example anyone uses of how immigrants add to our culture, and I'm saying it's not a good example. The term "melting pot" was coined by some random guy in the early 20th century. It's not policy and it's not something we have to subject ourselves to forever. The Industrial Revolution is over. We don't need endless bodies working in textile mills.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I concede that immigrants can make better ethnic food than me. My point remains we don't need open borders for it

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Anonymous OP 6d

Also not to argue, but cultural assimilation can sometime take a long time to take hold. In my city Philadelphia for example, the scars of segregation are still very much apparent. North and West Philly are predominantly black, South Philly is still full of Italian Americans, and Northeast Philly still has strong Irish ties. Our city had a lot of both physical and legislative redlining and only in the past 10 or so years has there really been much effort to really break down barriers.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Even then, a lot of it is very controversial. Although gentrification is great from an economic standpoint, it uproots the lives of the community that remained in that area. It also sees rich New Yorkers moving in to pay cheaper rent while collecting a higher NYC salary. Recently, the 76ers wanted an arena just north of Center City, right where our Chinatown is. The mayor green lit it despite economic reports showing evidence that it’d destroy the neighborhood. It was stopped last minute.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Still, despite all the city’s issues, some of the barriers being broken are pretty neat to see. We’ve got Asian immigrants coming to the Northeast, blocks with half the houses on it torn down are either being rebuilt or turned into parks, and we finally shook the title of America’s poorest large city. The whole city is proud of the progress we made, and we couldn’t have done it without immigrants (FUCK New York though, go birds)

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Anonymous #2 6d

Our American culture is fluid and ever expanding with the additions of the values, beliefs, experiences, practices, and yes food of the peoples that make up our country. The American “ethnicity” that people like JD Vance talk abt “preserving” is a mongrel race of interbred European ethnicities who were slaughtering each other for millennia back in the old world. Italians and Irish and Jews were excluded from this too by people saying the same shit as u are now but they are now mixed enough.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Like every other country, America has skeletons in its closet, big ones. But it’s 2025, and everyone involved is long gone. I’m not going to be emotionally blackmailed by the actions of people 200 years ago. We don’t need to accept endless immigration as cosmic retribution for the past.

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Anonymous #2 6d

We have the strongest economy in the world, the most fertile land in the world, the most navigable waterways in the world, our country and economy has the resources to sustain any amount of people lmfao. The problem is that those resources are now locked away by the people and politicians at the top who now want to prevent us common folk from accessing it.

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Anonymous #2 6d

thats not what im saying, and this is not emotional blackmail. im saying that if we are continuing region-based immigration restrictions we cannot use history or legal precedent as any justification because the people are gone, but the laws are not. their wording and foundations rely on eugenics, so if we are to oppose open borders in 2025 we must create new justifications for doing so

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Anonymous #1 6d

#2 i want to have a fact-based discussion, im not attempting to make any emotional argument

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Anonymous OP 6d

What resources besides maybe oil are "the top" preventing us from accessing? And what does that even have to do with anything. I don't want my kids to grow up in a neighborhood where the other kids don't speak the same language. I want to live in a high trust society.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I'm not gonna pretend that European Christian's intermingling over 100 years could possibly be similar to say European Christian's and Muslims. You already said yourself that the Muslim enclaves in Europe are insular and "cause problems". European immigrants in America came from much more similar cultures and they still had problems

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Anonymous #1 6d

Counterpoint: no. I don't care what early immigration laws were based on. Having borders for a nation is common sense. And I don't believe you want a fact based argument. All you've talked about is native Americans, eugenics, and anti Asian racism in the 1800's, when I'm talking about modern day immigration

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Anonymous OP 6d

Did you know that if we grind every person on earth into a fine powder, we can fit all of humanity into Central Park?

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Anonymous #2 5d

1. borders yeah because without them there wouldn’t be countries 2. to understand modern day immigration we do need to understand where immigration policy comes from. excuse me for wanting to establish a baseline? anyway my stance on immigration is that banning people or restricting their ability to immigrate based on their religion (assumed or real) or place of origin is bad and people should be allowed to enter freely and obtain permanent citizenship eventually

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Anonymous #1 5d

over time this will create the high trust society you want, which currently only exists for l select groups of Americans and will continue to only exist for them while others live in exclusion and fear

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Anonymous #2 5d

It absolutely is similar, back then Protestants viewed Catholics and Orthodoxy very differently prohibiting intermarriage, and limiting interaction. Even subsects of Protestants were their own enclaves some of whom still survive in some way as the Amish or Mormonism. It’s only throughout the 20th century and via globalization Catholics and Jews became more accepted into American society. “Quaker and Samaritan intermingling can’t possibly be similar to Protestants and Catholics”

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Anonymous #2 5d

Europe is VERY different from us to where unlike America their rigid ancient cultures are unable to adapt to include foreigners as compared to our culture which as we discussed is built on inclusion and is fluid. You simply cannot compare America and Europe in this manner. Just like how people had neighbors speaking Romanian or Greek or whatever in the 1950s, your neighbors will be speaking Bengalese or Filipino and over time all of you will become “American”

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