Anonymous #1 1w

It’s literally what in an America was called Grandfather laws in the late 1800’s/ early 1900’s they didn’t mention black people but were written in a way that really only negatively impacted black people. This is literally no different.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Except it is. Death penalty for people convicted of murder with the intent to undermine the legitimacy of the state. Don’t blow up busses and you’re safe

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Anonymous #1 1w

Do you under how Military court works? Or how only Palestinians only get sent there? Like please be serious

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah, noncitizens get tried in military court and citizens in civilian court. Don’t kill people

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ah, yes. Because there’s no possible way the courts in Israel could be biased against Palestinians…

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

American courts are probably innately biased against foreigners who kill our citizens too. Is your solution not to put murderers on trial?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Palestinians have a 99% convention rate & don’t receive fair trials. Israeli Jews get caught on film raping a prisoner & get set free. They can kill Palestinians & are protected by the IDF when doing so. Yet you want me to believe the law is fair & just & won’t be used to turn the concentration camps into death camps

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Anonymous #1 1w

When the fuck did I suggest that murderers shouldn’t be tried, wtf?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also, assuming first offenses and such, they aren’t murderers until *after* they’re tried.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

Which is why they’re tried, convicted, and only then hanged. Great! Murders punished to never be used in a swap along with 5000 other convicted terrorists for one kidnapped civilian dead body. Win win all around, great

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Anonymous #1 1w

You’re assuming so much about what I believe, it’s incredibly rude.

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Anonymous #1 1w

You’re purposely ignoring the 99% convention rating & pretending the trial is fair. Yet I shouldn’t be surprised you’d support this. You have to be a truly heinous person to defend the genocide apartheid state that’s Israel

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

It’s not my fault if you can’t articulate what you believe. I believe this to be common sense reflected by most western countries: Don’t kill our citizens and try to destroy our country and you won’t be put to death for it. You can’t blame that for being a popular solution when the current norm is 5000:1 trades for dead, kidnapped Israeli citizens.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You say 99% conviction rate because it’s unfair, I say 99% conviction rate because they’re guilty. The United States military court conviction rate is over 90% as well. Most are in the 90s for good reason

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Anonymous #1 1w

Dude is really trying to rationalize apartheid & genocide. Straight up Nazi talk. Zionist are legit no different then Nazis

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Anonymous #1 1w

Hey so how do you know they’re all guilty? If you, I don’t know, think for five seconds; 99% conviction rate is fucking insane.

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Anonymous OP 1w

The U.S. is known for having a really bad prison system that incentivizes locking up people & keeping them locked up to use as slave labor. It’s easy to get locked up but hard to be freed even if new evidence that contradicts the conviction is later found. We have 20% of the world’s prison population despite being only 5% of the world population. So you’d have to be genuinely horrible person to defend & act the U.S. system is good, but you’re a Zionst so I guess that’s to be expected

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Anonymous OP 1w

China has over 99% conviction rates, so does Japan, France 95%, Australia Germany and Netherlands close to 95%. You’re starting at your conclusion with “new law is apartheid and genocide” instead of at the start where “Convict terrorists and stop trading them back when they kidnap your people” is a rational response to the murder of your people with the intent to destroy your nation.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Tell me what a country SHOULD do with someone who blows up a bus of civilians because they want you to no longer exist as a country?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

Because they were convicted. And if you argue that we shouldn’t punish people convicted of a crime because there’s a chance they’re innocent, then it’s not an assumption for me to say you suggest not punishing murderers. It’s your opinion

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Anonymous #1 1w

First of all an insanely high conviction rating isn’t good anywhere. Second of all Israel has two set of laws one for Palestinians & Jews & is an apartheid. Again a group of Israeli Jews were caught on tape doing rape to a Palestinian& released yet a Palestinian kid throwing a rock at a tank is deemed a terrorist & locked up. That’s obviously not a fair system. 99% conviction rate also means Palestines can & are accused of things they didn’t do & are punished. They can also be held without being

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Anonymous OP 1w

Charged with anything for months before they decided to make up a change to convict them on

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Anonymous OP 1w

Not to mention what internal law says about the West Bank. You asking about to do with terrorist is insane. Maybe if Israel wasn’t an apartheid people wouldn’t rightfully be mad & sometimes try to violently resist. You can’t abuse a group of people for decades & generations forcing them to live under an apartheid & now a genocide & expect to just roll over & die for you quietly no matter how much you genocidal Zionist wish it

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re just wrong. There’s a different set of laws for citizens and noncitizens. Palestinian Israelis get the same equal treatment under Israeli law, and West Bank noncitizen Palestinians go to military court. Take it up with the Oslo Accords bud. Throwing a rock is a specific criminal offense for a reason. People have died. So don’t throw a rock and don’t go to jail, it’s really that simple.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And the official Israeli story about the tape is it was a cavity search. 🤷‍♂️ Idk if I believe it either, but that still doesnt.justify your defense. "israel didnt investigate hard enough so that mean we should let them blow up civillian busses with no consequences"

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re legit no different then the white people who used to say during apartheid in South Africa or Jim Crow in America that we have have Jim Crow & Apartheid or else black people will kill all the whites. They refused to acknowledge that Jim Crow & Apartheid were a major root cause for the animosity black people felt. And when Jim Crow & apartheid ended black people didn’t kill all the white people despite what white people claimed

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Anonymous OP 1w

If you start at your conclusion, nothing else will matter to you. Laws based on citizenship have nothing to do with laws based on race

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Anonymous OP 1w

Instead what happened was anti black groups like the KKk were created

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Anonymous OP 1w

“You can’t blow up busses and throw rocks at cars on the highway for decades and not expect the civilians to be mad and want the death penalty” It works both ways bud. Stop justifying the murder of civilians. Call for an end to murder and live in peace. If you want these people to be martyred then why complain when they are?

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Anonymous #1 1w

First of all I’m not your bud so don’t call me that I’d never be bud with someone who’s pro apartheid & genocide. Second of all Israel’s in the West Bank are illegal under international law they keep building settlements & the IDF stands & watches as the settlers kill Palestinians & destroy their homes protecting the settlers. So yes Israeli Jews are allowed to do whatever they want to Palestinians it’s a two tier system

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Anonymous OP 1w

Ain’t no way you believe throwing a rock at a tank has killed people. The tanks are there illegally under international law. Also no Jews & Arab citizens of Israel don’t have equal rights & the same laws. Lastly again you’re getting mad at the response to apartheid instead of the apartheid that causes those response

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Anonymous OP 1w

Sheesh man, you can’t even take a condescending bud. The Oslo Accords are a recognized agreement. Areas A B and C are governed as intended. As agreed upon. The tanks are there because Israel has a responsibility to provide security to areas B and C. Throwing rocks at cars on the highway has killed people, so throwing rocks is illegal now. Why do you want other people’s children throwing rocks at tanks so bad?

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Anonymous OP 1w

20% of the population is Arab lol. Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel have the exact same rights. An Arab judge has literally convicted a prime minister of Israel. You’re doing the same thing you’re accusing me of doing. You’re getting mad at an established first-world country putting measures in place to prevent their citizens from getting blown up on their way to school/work. Accept reality, Israel isn’t going anywhere. And if you try to change that and kill a civilian, you will be hanged

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Anonymous #1 1w

Again I’m not going to take being buddies with people who support genocide & apartheid. Also under international law the settlements & the occupation in the West Bank are illegal & the Palestinians legally can fight back.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Or maybe you want more Palestinian children to die “for the cause” because throwing rocks at tanks is super smart and productive towards the cause

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Anonymous OP 1w

I just told you flat out I was being condescending to you and you still think I was trying to be your friend? No wonder this is hard for you to understand, your reading comprehension needs work

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Anonymous #1 1w

And maybe you want settlers to keep killing those kids & stealing their homes rocks or no rocks

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Anonymous #1 1w

I just told you flat out don’t use bud with me you’re pro genocide & apartheid I don’t want anyone who supports that calling me buds. That vast majority of people rightfully hate Israel & Zionist. Each day Israel & Zionist became less & less popular. I don’t want a Zionist calling me bud for any reason

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re hilarious, you want to keep yelling at someone that they’re pro genocide but when someone calls you bud that just crosses the line for you. I’m so sorry I hurt your feelings bud

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Anonymous #1 1w

Okay 20% of the population doesn’t mean equal treatment or laws. Also Nazi Germany was an established 1st world country & so was apartheid South Africa but I doubt you’d argue they Nazi Germany & Apartheid South Africa were simply 1st world countries doing what it needed to protect its citizens

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Anonymous #1 1w

My feeling aren’t hurt. They can’t be hurt by someone who advocates for genocide & apartheid. The vast majority of the population rightfully hate you & people like you and by that I mean proud supports of apartheid & genocide so the words of someone with those views would never hurt me.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Germany exterminated their own population on means of race and religion. Israel provides military protection to all of its citizens. You’re starting at your conclusion with comparisons that just don’t fit. Either you want people to stop dying or you want to keep fighting for the right of Palestinians to kill Israeli citizens because… somehow that will solve everything?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Israel is literally doing a genocide like Nazi Germany did

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Anonymous OP 1w

That’s so great for you. You’re so strong. Mommy’s little boy can’t ever lose because he always give it his all 🥹

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re starting at your conclusion again

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Anonymous OP 1w

I mean you’re advocating for the settlers who kill Palestinians & aren’t punished yet protected by the IDF & Israeli government

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Anonymous #1 1w

I personally don’t think I’m strong although your mom called me that after I piped her & cucked your dad. 😏

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m sure she did call you her little boy, you got that right

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Anonymous OP 1w

But also no, you’re complaining about that, I’m not supporting it. I actually Haven’t said anything about that so far. I advocate for their swift arrest and trial. But I also believe terrorists that blow up busses should be hanged

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also my conclusion is a fact. Israel is an apartheid state that’s committing a genocide. The settlements are illegal under international law & you’re defending it.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Supporting the death penalty at all is a big yikes IMO.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I mean you’re literally defending a law despite knowing Palestinians get unfairly treated in court unless you genuinely believe the apartheid does create violent resistance & ever Palestine locked up even the kids & the ones who weren’t even charged with a crime are terrorist. Which is what Ben-Giver claims & based off of everything you’ve said I wouldn’t be surprised if you agree with him. I mean you’re not advocating against the settlements or the IDF protecting settlers as they kill

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Anonymous OP 1w

Palestinians & take their homes

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

I mean dude is just a proud pro apartheid zionst so we can’t really be surprised

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

You’re entitled to your opinion. The death penalty is a complex debate. But I don’t blame a population for supporting it when it’s become the norm to trade thousands convicted of murder for one dead kidnapped civilian. Just like you guys don’t blame Palestinians for wanting to kidnap said civilian in the first place. Hey, even I don’t blame them for wanting to. But I certainly won’t care when they get hanged for it

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yeah I know what you’re saying since high up in the IDF when talking about the apartheid Israel created acknowledge that if they lived under the apartheid as a Palestinian they would fight back. Also yes I understand many Zionst just want to the Palestinians to live under apartheid & be quiet and just take it. No different then how white people hated peaceful & violent protests by black people during Jim Crow they just wanted black people be quiet & stay in Jim Crow without any commotion

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Anonymous OP 1w

So yes I understand stand what you’re saying your views are no different then the white people during Jim Crow

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Anonymous OP 1w

1: Wasn’t talking to you anymore bud 2: I reject your comparisons that you provide as fact Been blowing up busses for decades and still don’t like the current system you live under? Maybe cut your losses and take what you can get for your own country? Unless you’re hell bent on eliminating Israel. In which case by all means fight to the death. There’s been 5 wars already. But if you lose you lose, why complain if that’s the route you choose?

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Anonymous #1 1w

You’re really just gonna “nuh uh” them? Lmfao you’re hilarious.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

I’ve argued time and time again here why a comparison to apartheid South Africa and Jim Crow are not comparable. It’s not my fault if someone insists upon a falsehood they predetermined to be a fact before they even engaged in conversation. Scroll up if you need to, OP loves to repeat himself but I don’t

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Anonymous #1 1w

You really haven’t. How exactly are the Jim Crow laws different? If you’ve said it previously, point it out to me please.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I mean yeah but you’re just a pro genocide & apartheid Zionist that’s hated by most people for your views so of course you’d say the comparison doesn’t work. Yet every major humans rights organization, the UN, the former head of Mossad, multiple well known genocide & Holocaust schoolers etc say the opposite of what you say so idk who to believe lol

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

All Israeli citizens share equal rights. Non citizens are not subject to the same liberties. Just like in every country. What’s different is according to the Oslo Accords, Israel enforces military security on areas B and C. So they still arrest and prosecute. It’s apples and oranges. Also “Palestinian” is not a race

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Anonymous #1 1w

So you’re citing documentation as a means to disprove the notion that they’re not Jim Crow-esque, in spite of the fact the the whole idea of the Jim Crow laws was to have black people be “equal” on paper while segregated. Are you seeing where the confusion is coming from?

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Anonymous #1 1w

They don’t have equal rights in Israel, the settlements are against international law. Discrimination against Palestinians which is on the basis of them not being Jewish is the same as whites discriminating against black people in Jim Crow America & Apartheid South Africa

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Anonymous #1 1w

Fun fact: we don’t usually put them on trial. Most of the time, they just get deported. And show a study next time if you want to allege bias

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

Dude said separate but equal

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Anonymous #3 1w

Also most bias would usually be rooted out during jury selection

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1w

You keep comparing these things but Jim Crow segregated citizens of the same country. It is not segregation to have borders and citizenship. Are we Jim Crow-ing Mexico because they aren’t subject to all the rights of Americans? Palestinian-ISRAELIS have the same rights as Jewish-ISRAELIS. Noncitizens of a country, ANY COUNTRY, are not. You people seriously see the world in black and white. Everything is either Jim Crow or the Nazi Germany

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Anonymous #1 1w

No, it’s just considered apartheid, and ICJ said so in July 2024

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Anonymous #1 1w

I mean you can’t compare the US & Mexico to Israel to & the West Bank & East Jerusalem. Last time I checked the U.S. doesn’t dictate the laws in Mexico & punish Mexican citizens in Mexico. Nor does the U.S. destroy homes in Mexico kicking out & killing the Mexican citizens so the U.S. can build homes in Mexico for American citizens. The U.S. also doesn’t send troops into Mexico to defend US citizens as they beat, kill & kick Mexican citizens out of their homes in Mexico & steal their land &

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Anonymous #3 1w

❌ Wrong actually, sorry if facts get in the way. The ICJ addressed provisional measures in Gaza requiring Israel to “prevent genocidal acts and improve humanitarian access,” without determining whether genocide or apartheid is occurring

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Anonymous #1 1w

This situation can probably be compared to South Africa and South West Africa (now Namibia), and was compared to it in the ICJ’s ruling

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Anonymous OP 1w

Homes so idk how you could make such an insane compression in good faith. Also Palestinians in Israel don’t have the exact same rights as Jews in Israel. Lastly any country doing a genocide is why people compare Israel to Nazi Germany & being an apartheid state is why they compare it to Apartheid South Africa

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Anonymous OP 1w

First of all, the US 100% does have military presence in Mexico and helps fight narco terrorists. But thanks for admitting that what happens in the US is completely incomparable because in Israel there’s the Oslo Accords that pretty simply spell out how law is enforced. Glad you finally came around!

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’m talking about a different case regarding the West Bank buddy

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Anonymous #1 1w

So you’re really just going to skip over the part where I brought up taking homes & land form citizens & building homes in Mexico for Americans after killing the citizens who previously lived there or allowing US citizens to kill Mexican citizens & take their homes. Or are you claiming that the U.S. is also doing that in Mexico

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Anonymous #1 1w

There is no permanent presence in Mexico 😭 the Mexican government is firmly against that. The US’ presence is limited to joint military exercises at Mexico’s invitation as well as intelligence support, but the Mexican military is the one acting on that intelligence

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Anonymous OP 1w

And you’re casually going to skip over the fact that the Oslo Accords spell out very plainly how law is to be enforced in each area of the West Bank? And that this was agreed upon by the PA? You just keep proving the point that you can’t compare the US to Israel because the situations are different lol

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Anonymous #3 1w

No shit Sherlock. Because Mexico didn’t agree to those terms. The PA did

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Anonymous #1 1w

What did the PA agree to? The withholding of tax revenue?

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Anonymous #3 1w

Lemme wait for you to address the ICJ ruling before I distract you

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Anonymous #1 1w

I mean you’re the one trying to make the comparison. Also you act as if the Oslo accords give Israel the right to build unlimited Illegal settlements in the West Bank and continuously kick Palestinians off their land & take their homes. Sounding like a crazy blood thirsty Kahanist

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Anonymous #3 1w

lol Palestinians in areas a and b pay taxes to the PA not Israel. And the ICJ gave an advisory opinion with no legal binding. If they wanted to bring a binding case they could try bringing a Contentious case. But they haven’t. It really makes you wonder why…

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Anonymous #1 1w

You do know that… in apartheid South Africa… black people weren’t citizens right? Their citizenship was transferred to the Bantustans. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Except who transferred Palestinian citizenship anywhere? Youre introducing new elements to strengthen your comparison but there’s no parallel

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Anonymous #1 1w

IJC rulings take years & the U.S. sanctioned ICJ to try & protect Israel. The U.S. goes above & beyond to protect Israel from the courts & the UN. The U.S. will even enter a war with Iran on behalf of Israel contemplating putting troops on the ground despite Israel already saying they won’t do the same

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Anonymous #1 1w

No, customs tax and VAT is paid to Israel. That money is supposed to be transferred to the PA

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Anonymous OP 1w

Now you’re getting into conspiracy territory lol. Trump is literally on tape talking about doing exactly what he is now back in 1987. Allies usually have common interests, it’s a shame none of our European allies care to contribute for their own

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Anonymous #1 1w

Can’t bring a contentious case. Israel does not consent to ICJ jurisdiction

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Anonymous #1 1w

Our European allies have a much lower tolerance for casualties than we do

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Anonymous #1 1w

Trump, Marco Rubio & others right after the attack said they did it for Israel so no I’m not in conspiracy territory.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Delusional. They didn’t say that lol. Notice how you parrot the same shit the far right does?

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Anonymous #1 1w

The West Bank is an occupied territory whose residents are denied citizenship while being illegally displaced by settlers who have citizenship in the occupying country. That’s literally just what Namibia was when it was occupied by South Africa.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Except it was previously occupied by Jordan. Who then rescinded their offer of citizenship in order to pressure Israel into giving them statehood. Tell me, why didn’t they just let the Palestinians be Jordanian citizens

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Anonymous #1 1w

I like how your reasoning has boiled down to “That’s not true” “Ok it’s true but it’s not binding” “Ok they should’ve brought a binding case…I wonder why they didn’t” (Israel didn’t let them)

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Anonymous #3 1w

That’s the whole point dude. They have no authority. They’re a fairytale court with no authority, what they say is not binding so it doesn’t matter. These are legal terms with legal meanings, and unless it’s legally binding it means nothing

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Anonymous #1 1w

So you concede that Israel violated the Oslo Accords?

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Anonymous #3 1w

Both sides have violated “the spirit” of the agreement but there was never any real enforcement mechanism. I’m not really sure what indicated I was conceding that point but sure, both Israel and the PA have valid argument to say each have violated some aspects of the agreement at some points

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Jordan wanted to make Palestine an independent country but they underestimated how much Israel loves settler colonialism” is a wild argument to think supports your side

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Anonymous #4 1w

Like last I checked nobody goes “well why didn’t Mexico make the Navajo citizens” when talking about the Long Walk

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Anonymous #4 1w

Like idk how tf you think you’re gonna get around this. Either Palestinians are citizens of an independent Palestine, in which case Israel is illegally settling an occupied territory in violation of the fourth Geneva convention. Or the West Bank falls under Israeli sovereignty, in which case they are doing apartheid by denying citizenship to Palestinians.

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