Anonymous #1 15w

Get your rage bait butt off of your couch and do something useful with your life for once.

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So you live under a rock huh? I wish I could

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I guarantee you have a million better things to do than to rage bait people. Start contributing to society.

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Anonymous #1 15w

Be carful the actual history of Tiananmen square beyond the narrative of innocent pro western style democracy protesters brutally crushed by the CPC is something I’d imagine ppl in this sub would have a hard time accepting. Notice how ppl are calling it rage bait

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Anonymous #5 15w

the difference between you and i is i said it as a joke

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Anonymous #5 15w

Even if they weren’t innocent weren’t they fighting for democracy

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Anonymous #1 15w

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/ https://liberationnews.org/revolution-and-counter-revolution-remembering-tiananmen-34-years-later/

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Anonymous #5 15w

The full video is online and he’s literally fine

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Anonymous #2 15w

The emphasis on pro democracy is a mistake In western interpretations of the protest that picks the elements thier most confortavle with to put emphasis on many were protesting the direction of reforms that they saw as a restoration of capitalism. Tiananmen Square was a diverse movement

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Anonymous #5 15w

Getting down voted but why on earth would they be walking with pictures of Mao if they begging for western style democracy. They were upset at the direction the party was reforming the country

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Anonymous OP 15w

I encourage you to look into operation yellowbird as well if you’re interested in Tiananmen Square

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Anonymous #5 15w

Sorry you mean they were protesting the restoration of capitalism or protesting for the restoration?

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Anonymous #2 15w

Depends which group of protesters you ask there where both, a lot of groups with a lot of different ideas where involved to put it simply. The ones with the pictures of mao wanted socialism and an arguably more democracy as they were inspired by some of the anti hierarchical ideas born out of the cultural revolution. Most ppl don’t engage with China with any nauce and act is if they’re hive mind when interpreting events and as if there’s one voices that speaks for China. There isn’t

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Anonymous #5 15w

True. The west loves to paint China as a monolith hive mind. It makes it hard to research and learn especially with the growing anti Chinese rhetoric. You have any sources you’d recommend for beginning?

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Anonymous #5 15w

*particularly for the cultural revolution but economics too.

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Anonymous #2 15w

It’s early depends what you wanna learn about China specific it’s best to learn by period in my personal opinion. I was lucky enough to get my real introduction to Chinese history from someone who lived there which in my opinion helps a lot. The books they taught us through are quite long though, but they are relatively fair if more western and liberal in their values making them critical of Marxism. The search for modern China third edition and its documentary collection.

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Anonymous #5 15w

Pt2. This book goes from ancient modern China. China’s revolution and the quest for a socialist future by Ken Hammond is a very short overview of the lead up to the 1949 Revolution to around 2020 with 3 different authors interpretations on China’s socialist experiment. Ken Hammond is the most balanced of the opinions in the book in my opinion.

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

tbh, in the US they don’t even need tanks or police cars to run people over. the cars already run protestors over and the legal system defends those who use their vehicles as weapons

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Anonymous #5 15w

they weren’t fighting for democracy initially. they were upset with inflation, which eventually morphed into a pro freedom march. read a book.

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Anonymous #2 15w

For the cultural revolution the battle for Chinas past Mao and the culture revolution by prof mobo gao is a great book although I think his thoughts on the modern CPC are slightly off as he is unable to account for the rise of a figure like Xi. To be fair he wrote in 2008 when it seemed like China may be falling fully toward free markets and western style capitalism

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Anonymous #2 15w

Another one is the unknown cultural revolution life and change in a Chinese village it highlights that in contrast to contemporary portrayals there were dramatic improvements in living conditions, infrastructure, and agricultural practices during the cultural revolution.

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Anonymous #2 15w

Sorry for the spam but for China today the text book socialism with Chinese characteristics a guide for foreigners is useful but expensive or the late professor Domenico losurdos article “has China turned to capitalism?”

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Anonymous #9 15w

Reading this after recommending multiple books mad me laugh just a little.

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Anonymous #2 15w

Feel confrotable reading any of the works all the books are by academics who specialize in China. Some of the articles are not. I also have a few studies I keep saved cause I’ve done my fair share of research on China and its modern socialist experiment which also means understanding its past.

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Anonymous #5 15w

This one?

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Anonymous #5 15w

Thank you! I genuinely appreciate it

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Anonymous #2 15w

These are the covers of the books I’d recommend. Go for the none document collection one of modern China if ur only gonna get one out of the top 2 the document one is a collection of primary sources for u to check the texts interpretation of. If ur most interested in the cultural rev tho the battle for Chinas past or the unknown cultural revolution is ur best bet for detail. Though the battle for Chinas past is more of a counter history of the cultural revolution against in conversation 1/2

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Anonymous #5 15w

2/2 in conversation and against “Mao: The Unknown Story” a awful piece of scholarships which many historians of different political ideologies have managed to agree, ruined scholarship but even more so convention understanding on the Mao era.

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Anonymous #2 15w

But yes that is the right one if u want the documentary collection

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Anonymous _orangutan 15w

We don’t know that he’s not dead; there’s a large chance he is. It’s not like the CCP didn’t kill a fuck ton of people at Tiananmen Square.

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