nah i brought up a woman who was braindead and forced to carry the baby to term (which was later cut out of her because her body literally could not birth the child) while you’re sitting here saying the abortion laws haven’t changed anything and poke fun at the fact that she was braindead to get an easy insult in. i have thick skin, idc, its just weird as fuck
Women don’t die from not getting abortions, and miscarriages are separate things you dullard, there is not a bit of legal language that prevents doctors from giving care to women experiencing miscarriages. Only idiot doctors that thinks so and don’t provide care. Women die from sepsis from trying to get abortions (which is a common problem because they are dangerous)
Oh shut up. I’m not fine with children being killed. But most abortions are performed when it’s just cells so it doesn’t have a heartbeat and can’t feel anything. That’s not killing children. And if you’re so pro-life, how many children have you adopted? Have you donated money for the starving children in Gaza or other places? Do you support free lunches for children in schools?
are you too dense to understand how stacking a supreme court so that they overrule RvW literally changes national law? abortion was federally legal until HE changed it indirectly by PURPOSEFULLY stacking the court for that decision. meaning, he IS responsible for the change in both national and state law as he was that catalyst for it and the reason that it was no longer federally protected in the first place. but sure, play the semantics game
also you realize this was clarified AFTER what happened with Kat Cammack right… like the law itself was left so vague and it’s so difficult to legislate that there was confusion in getting her emergency care which could have literally delayed her care too long and she would have died :/
He didn’t stack the supreme court you fucking moron, people died and he replaced them. That’s not stacking the court like Biden had wanted to do (which is adding MORE NEW members to the current bench, so you can have them vote in your favor) that’s filling vacancies, which is a part of the presidents job. You’d be begging the supreme court to overrule the decision if there were a federal ban on abortion, so why are you crying the opposite happened when they overrule on federal abortion mandate.
i’m not begging the supreme court to do jack shit, they should’ve never overturned the decision in the first place. it was entirely unnecessary. if they didn’t want to ban abortions, why the fuck would they overturn a ruling that made them legal at the federal level that stood for 60 years?? also, why does the state get to decide if a woman’s reason for her termination of her pregnancy is “valid” enough? it’s not anyone’s call other than the woman’s, not on a federal or state level.
Shouldn’t have overturned it, but you’re glad they ruled that way in the first place “i don’t want them to do jack shit” it is rarely the federal governments job to dictate laws of state government. Thats why they overturned it. They decide wether it’s valid because A CHILD DIES IN THE PROCESS YOU FUCKING MORON. They overturned it because states have the right to vote on their own laws.
doctors are afraid because right wing politicians are legislating abortion bans that literally do not line up with scientific consensus. it isn’t about “fear mongering” holy shit. at 6 weeks, a lot of pregnancies literally go unnoticed. they don’t show up on ultrasounds, sometimes you’ll even get a false negative pregnancy test. but somehow, abortion is banned at this point. the fetus doesn’t develop sentience, pain receptor, until about 20 weeks, which was the normal cut off for abortions.
What scientific consensus are you talking about? The one that states life begins at conception? And yes it is fear mongering because doctors are afraid to do their jobs not because of clear bans on abortion, but because they’ve been told if a woman need any type of medical care related to pregnancy than she can’t be treated
it got overturned because people think they should get to have a say in what women do with their own bodies under the guise of “protecting kids!!” it’s a violation of bodily autonomy. it puts restrictions on personal emergency healthcare. it doesn’t lower the rate of abortions, it lowers the rate of safe abortions. women will still abort if they cannot take care of the baby even in states with bans. it’s just super unsafe.
i never argued life didn’t begin at conception lol. it literally does. but the development of necessary biological mechanisms takes up to 20 weeks before pain receptors, response to stimuli, sentience/awareness, etc occur. that’s the consensus i’m talking about. no one is saying it’s not a human life. it’s just not a person yet because it has no pain receptors, no sentience, to response to outside stimuli, cannot live on its own, does not have first person subjective experience, etc.
right because it’s better to raise a child in poverty or an abusive situation, or to just dump them in foster care or the adoption system. BIRTH CONTROL FAILS. PEOPLE CAN DO EVERYTHING RIGHT AND STILL END UP PREGNANT. If a woman cannot afford to take care of her child, to clothe the child, to feed the child, to get the child adequate medical care, you think she should still be forced to give birth and bring a child into an unstable situation that could literally lead to that child’s death??
personally, id rather get an abortion than bring a child into a situation where i know i cannot afford to take care of them or where they would be in danger of starving, not receiving adequate medical care, or even being abused by an unstable figure. it isn’t my job to police people’s reasons for doing this, but they should at least have the PERSONAL choice of what to do and shouldn’t be forced into having a child they can’t afford to take care of.
truly spoken like someone who didn’t grow up in poverty, i grew up most of my formative years with major food insecurity due to my parents’ own financial instability. if i knew that the child i had was going to be born into a similar situation, i would also abort BEFORE 20 weeks, and wait until i’m FINANCIALLY STABLE ENOUGH TO CARE FOR A CHILD.
i already explained the difference between a clump of cells and a living breathing person. so i’m not responding to this again. i think you’re evil because you would rather a child grow up (as in YEARS) starving, abused, with terrible quality of life and major instability rather than terminating the pregnancy when the fetus hasn’t even developed sentience yet. it cannot tell the difference. that is the scientific consensus.
like you realize childhood poverty and homelessness are one of the HARDEST things a child can experience right?? the mental, emotional, and physical toll is immense. and you want to put a living breathing PERSON through that for YEARS, rather than terminating an unfeeling, unthinking, clump of cells BEFORE 20 WEEKS OF GESTATION. you could save so much suffering, but for some reason you think terminating some cells is the same thing as actually killing a living breathing person??
also id say, consent to sex is just consent to sex. you’re consenting to having sex not to having a baby unless that is directly discussed. the same way it’s considered rape if the guy takes off the condom without telling the woman. also yes, because no birth control is 100% effective. people can do EVERYTHING right, i dont think they should be “punished” or blamed for something entirely out of their control.
yeah i’m sure you and every other person who doesn’t feel like having a baby at this time just ENTIRELY ABSTAIN FROM SEX realistically, and historically, abstinence has never worked. people shouldn’t be blamed for wanting to have sex, we’re human it’s pretty common for us to have sex for pleasure and not specifically for fornication. that’s why abortions and emergency contraceptives exist, so if birth control fails they aren’t punished and forced into being parents at an unstable time.
like bro if you don’t wanna have sex don’t have sex. that doesn’t mean the rest of us shouldn’t get to have sex unless we specifically want to have kids?? if abstaining works for you great, but just because you don’t personally think people need this emergency resource doesn’t mean it isn’t needed by people who ARENT YOU.