Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Trump is not the issue. He’s never been the issue. It’s the moral rot of this country and the people in it. Fix your hearts or die

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Well, yeah. But we have to face facts and realize that chasing ideological purity isn’t productive right now. And besides, typically anti-Trump and being racist/sexist/homophobic don’t typically go together.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Plenty of racist conservative who don’t like Trump because Trump is a uniquely repugnant person who they feel tarnishes their brand of being a conservative

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Currently, I think that resisting the pushes of the wannabe personalist dictator in office is more important.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Dooming us to do this all over again in 50 years

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Anonymous OP 1w

A mistake people are making in analyzing this current political moment is assuming that Trump is this unique figure that caused this to happen. He’s not

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You’re not wrong, but you forget that change doesn’t happen overnight. Demanding that people who have been indoctrinated by the right and are just starting to wake up to that to be completely ideologically pure just alienates them and pushes them away. We need to welcome these people and educate them over the course of a long time, but people like you just want to push them back to the right and hurt us in the long term.

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Anonymous OP 1w

I fully reject the notion that saying they can’t be racists is me calling for “ideological purity”. Find another buzzword

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Ok, fine, I’ll just call it what it is. It’s high-horsing. And you need to get off it and realize that we cannot possibly make inroads with the right unless we accept that there is no world where they’ll wake up one day and reject all their beliefs. Realizing how bad Trump is gives us a crack in the wall to start dismantling the rest. We need to treat these people with some level of decency, even if it’s superficial, if we want to educate them.

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Anonymous OP 1w

It is not “high-horsing” to say “ay dude I’m gonna judge you if you still hate blacks and Hispanics”. You have lost it

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Do you normally address only the first sentence in posts or what.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Everything else you said follows from that initial statement. Knock that leg out and the whole sentiment falls apart

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Anonymous OP 1w

Excuse me if I feel like I have the right to tell people to stop being racists and Nazis, and that they don’t get a pass for being racists and Nazis cause they agree that Orange Man Bad

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Anonymous OP 1w

If me saying to them “hey. Don’t be racist” is such a non-starter to them, I’m afraid we have nothing else to talk about and they should be bullied till they remove their connection to this worldly plain

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

See, that’s how I know you didn’t read (or at least comprehend) the rest of what I said. Because my whooooole point is that disliking Trump gives us an inroad to build off of and dismantle their ideology. That isn’t going to work on a Nazi, for obvious reasons. Thankfully, most Republicans aren’t Nazis, they’re uneducated and uninformed moderates who aren’t aware of their own doublethink. And I’ll reiterate for a fourth time now, we should be trying to use this opportunity to educate them.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You said “fix your hearts or die”. That goes beyond holding people accountable, that’s a threat. And threats aren’t useful if you want to change someone’s mind. So sorry if I think that maybe you’re a teeny tiny bit shortsighted in your approach.

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Anonymous OP 1w

You started this arguing with me and saying that my demand that they don’t be racists is a huge non-starter for these people and that’s a massive issue and we should just not tell them to not be racist! That’s not what you are saying now tho cause you know you don’t have any reasonable ground to make that dumbass argument anymore LMAO

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yea it is a threat. racists should be scared! Make Nazis Scared Again!

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

We both know you’ve never held a gun and have nothing to back that threat up. And besides, that’s literally not what you said. You issued a threat, essentially deeming reeducation to be a lost cause, since your requirements to be “redeemed” are impossible to meet. I said that wasn’t productive and that most Trump voters who now dislike him aren’t the vast minority that dislike him because he’s not far-right enough. I don’t really see what I’ve changed about my argument, do you?

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Anonymous OP 1w

My brother in Christ I own several guns I’m a communist you fucking idiot. You lost go home dumbass cause the idea that not being racist, sexist, and homophobic is an “impossible” to meet standard is asinine and regressive. Fix your heart or die!

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Anonymous OP 1w

But maybe we’re just having a big mix-up. See, my understanding of your stance is that you deem anyone who voted for Trump to be irredeemable unless they fully pivot to your ideology. Until they do, you want them to die. This includes everyone who voted for Trump, including moderates who dislike him now and may harbor certain racist or homophobic beliefs that clash with the American ideals they also fully believe in. Please let me know if this is inaccurate.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Can u read? Literally in my first comment I basically straight up said “you can’t be racist, sexist, or homophobic”. From the jump I’ve been very clear on my position

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Do you think Dems should welcome racists into the Democratic coalition just cause they dislike Trump? Is that really ur position? Cause I think racists should fix their hearts or die

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Oh, really? Well I stand corrected. Please post your AR build, I’d love to see it. And personally, I think that using an intentional lack of reading comprehension to try and misrepresent me is a bad look for you. Because I’ve made it clear that my point is, “expecting someone to 180 on their whole ideology and all their biases overnight is unrealistic”. Not “it’s impossible to not be racist”. I said this very explicitly, and you don’t really have an excuse for misinterpreting my words.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Nah man I think telling people to not be racist before I accept them with open arms is perfectly reasonable. Honestly weird of you to say it’s not

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m not misinterpreting your words at all. I’m very clear that the standard I’m holding them to is “don’t be a bigot” and you explicitly stated that that standard is “impossible to meet”. Your words not mine. Try again

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Again, I feel like you didn’t really read what I wrote. So let’s try an exercise. I want you to tell me what you think my stance is. Because I think I’ve been pretty clear that my stance revolves around reeducation and reprogramming, but you just don’t seem to be getting the memo. So let’s do that real quick.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Highlighted it just in case u can’t read correctly

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Oh, my bad. I was referring to your requirements being “a complete flip on ideology and biases that happens overnight”. That’s my mistake, sorry for not being so clear.

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Anonymous OP 1w

And these are the standards I started with in my first comment that you call “impossible to meet” LMAO

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Anonymous OP 1w

Wow almost like I never once said they had to engage in a complete flip in ideology that’s crazy

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You said it in your first sentence. It’s in the screenshot you just posted.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

And too be clear, ceasing to be a bigot IS a “change in their ideology”. Never once did I claim they had to completely flip their ideology. Change =/ complete flip that’s something YOU read into because you’re illiterate

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Anonymous OP 1w

lol I knew you’d say that you illiterate halfwit

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

If you’ll allow me the ad hominem, I find it funny that you called me illiterate when you used the wrong form of “to”. Anyways, to be clear, deprogramming all the biases that lead to someone being a bigot overnight IS impossible. And it’s definitely not going to happen if they’re constantly alienated for not doing enough. If someone is starting to question their ideology, then the solution isn’t to do what you’re pushing and say “not enough, die”. It’s to build off of that.

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Anonymous OP 1w

LMAOOO bro thinks anyone gaf about to/too when you can’t even read properly

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Anonymous OP 1w

And Jesus, I’m not talking about a Proud Boy here, I’m talking about the middle-class white guy who gets a little nervous going into a predominantly black neighborhood. I’m talking about the “well I don’t mind gay people but not MY son” crowd. These aren’t heartless monsters, they’re people who can absolutely change if we give them a god damn chance and some god damn time.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Nah bro sorry you think we should accept bigots. Have fun palling around with unrepentant racists couldn’t be me

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You ignore like 1/2 of what I write don’t lecture me on reading comprehension.

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Anonymous OP 1w

No. Haven’t ignored a thing you’ve said. Your entire premise is “let’s forgive unrepentant bigots just cause their anti-Trump”. That’s on you lil bro

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’ve shifted your argument half a dozen times btw because you keep deliberately misrepresenting what I’m saying. I had to assume it’s deliberate at the least

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Really. Ok, what have I changed since we began this in earnest at my fifth comment? What’s changed about anything I’ve said between then and now? Because honestly, I feel like I’ve just been repeating the same thing over and over again while you’re claiming I’m saying completely different things.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I’m too lazy to repeat myself for like the 6th time so I’m just gonna direct you to this highlighted selection. This is my entire premise. Ta-da, now stop trying to misrepresent me.

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Anonymous OP 1w

LMFAO yea that’s ur 5th iteration of that dumbass. That literally means nothing. I’ve never contested that is your position. YOU are the one that is contesting MY position that we shouldn’t accept racists into the coalition. You’re slick I give you that. You’d make a good lawyer

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Anonymous OP 1w

Dude. You first started out by claiming my position of “no racists please” is a bad thing. You then shifted to “oh I just meant the nonracists who only kinda hate gay people”. Then you shifted to “I just wanna be nice to people”

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re all over the place lil bro. You should take your meds

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Thank you for the compliment. Attached is an example of you contesting, or at least, completely misrepresenting, my position.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I have already given you an example of my position after being pushed to elaborate on it further. I haven’t changed my messaging at all. You, however, have. You started out by saying “I’ll judge you for being racist” (fair, but I never contested that and it ignored the entirety of my point), and when I called you out on ignoring my point you jumped to saying “Nazis are unwelcome”, which is completely different, then devolved into death threats.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You’re angry, and I get that. I am too. But we can’t kill half the population, and saying “well that’s not good enough, you should die” to someone who may be expressing hesitancy in their ideology is a great way to turn them back around and galvanize their beliefs. That will harm your cause in the long-term. Can you at the very least agree with me on that?

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Anonymous OP 1w

Dawg I’m not gonna let you pretend like ur immediate reaction to me deadass saying “we shouldn’t accept bigots” was “that’s an unreasonable standard”. You are trying to shift your position to something more defensible because you realize how fucking insane you sounded

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Anonymous OP 1w

You’re very rhetorically tricky but it’s obvious to anyone with half a brain that you are shifting what you’re saying like quicksand, never consistent and constantly using rhetorical tricks to try and make two non equivalent arguments seem the same. You may fool lesser men but you won’t fool me

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Anonymous OP 1w

I, on the other hand, began with “bigots aren’t welcome” and have continued with “bigots aren’t welcome”. Do you believe that Nazis and bigots are two separate distinguishable groups? Or are you just trying to use another half baked rhetorical trick? I think I know which one

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Anonymous OP 1w

You argue like Ben Shapiro btw, no substance, no consistency, 100% rhetoric

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