Anonymous #1 32w

WW2 affected the entire world prior to the US joining. I can go into more detail but these are not comparable

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Anonymous OP 32w

i cant believe we wasted our time in korea, vietnam, iran, afghanistan, guatemala, cuba, iraq, somalia

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Anonymous #1 32w

I can’t either.

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Anonymous OP 32w

so im confused - wasting our time in israel is ok?

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Anonymous #1 32w

Where did I ever say that? Our job is to take care of Americans, actual Americans. Not to try and solve every countries issues. Only when the issue impacts or poses an actual threat to the wellbeing of the American people should we get involved.

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Anonymous OP 32w

so when we assist israel endlessly is that not just wasting our time?

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Anonymous #1 32w

Yes. Ideally, Israel and Palestine should resolve the issue on their own but I don’t want my tax dollars or American lives thrown away.

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neither do i man i dont think i ever said that i dont think its an unreasonable ask to say "hey change your policy before i vote whats going on over there is an atrocity and it relates to us BECAUSE WE FUCKING FUND IT DAMN NEAR COMPLETELY"

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 32w

They’re both gonna do it. So I voted for the one that screws the rest of America over the least. It’s called not being selfish.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

The genocide that’s worse under Trump? Did you want more palestinians to die Peachy? Was that your point?

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Hey how many dems voted against the latest weapons we sent to Israel? How many dems refused to endorse anti Zionist candidates purely because they were not Zionists? Or does none of that matter bc they aren’t in power

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If they don’t draw the line at genocide they won’t draw it at democracy. If there were a million ways to get the democrats to be less supportive of Israel then they’d be less supportive by now.

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Clearly not because the dems, despite the provable fact they lost a ton of voters bc of Gaza, are STILL not willing to shift on the issue. And we are seeing massive turnout for candidates who do speak out against this genocide. But you’re not going to see any people in the upper ranks of the DNC changing their behavior

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I’m sure in 25 years when all of Gaza is rubble we will see democrats be very sorry and put up a plaque. Just like they’re all suddenly against the Iraq war 23 years on

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Yeah man it’s not “democracy”. Because if it was democracy, the democrats would be pro Palestinian. Because a majority of democrat voters are pro Palestinian. Don’t fuckin use that word pretending you believe in it.

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I’m not asking for perfection, I’m asking for someone who will follow the will of the people, which the dems are clearly not focused on

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Wow I never noticed

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Sounds like Kamala should’ve worked harder to get votes 🤷

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That isn’t my fault. She sucks.

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Also love how you say “well you got Trump lol” even though so much of his policies have been backed by dems. Funding the gazan genocide? Of course! Tax breaks for corporations? Yup! Deporting immigrants? Oh ICE just needs better training! Violating the rights of trans people? Dems already selling out trans people too! Dems under this administration continue to back off on every fucking position they have, and these are people that are supposed to make the country safer? Yeah right

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And half the shit wouldn’t have gotten through if we voted in dems with a spine. But they’re insistent on not having one

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

“I would rather blame others than take accountability for my inaction”

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Anonymous OP 32w

Inaction? Buddy if it wouldn’t dox me I could list a lot of ways I’ve done work. Hilarious statement

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

Everything except the easiest and most important thing. Hence the moral grandstanding

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Anonymous OP 32w

Is it moral grandstanding to ask for better? To say we want change and aren’t going to vote for people who don’t promise it? Christ, people have been talking about democracy in this comment thread but seem to not actually want to see it in practice

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

You can’t win with a woman, a progressive is even harder to win with and if democrats can’t win with safe candidates why would they run someone higher risk? Maybe if they had support and security they would consider higher risk candidates but your inaction means they don’t have the security to do so

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

You and most of your other leftist buddies care more about your self image and being in the “right” than the fucking state of this country. It’s fucking annoying

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Anonymous OP 32w

Ok so then I ask you again. If you can’t draw the line at genocide then where will you draw the line? I want to know what your line in the sand is

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I don’t think it’s “meh” to be SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

That’s not my fucking problem. That has no impact on Americans. It’s so damn convenient you strongly advocate for a group you never interact with. I draw the line at the fucking border, anything that happens outside of that isn’t my problem

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Like she was in 2023 and 2024?

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Anonymous OP 32w

Why would I need to interact with a group to care abt them? What psycho shit is that?

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

You can care about them all you want but in the frame of US politics they do not matter. We aren’t the fucking babysitters for the rest of the world

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Where is this evidence of her gearing up to press him harder?

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

if Democrats couldn’t stop a genocide they’re funding, idk what makes liberals think they could possibly save “democracy”

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Anonymous _orangutan 32w

Orangutan, I may not always agree with you, but when you cook you cook

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Ok but that’s just words, I want to know what policy she was apparently considering using to stop the violence

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Ok but do you see where I’m coming from? It’s a lot of words and not a lot of action. Especially considering she didn’t speak up on the issue until she was made the candidate despite being the sitting VP. And to not have any policy to stand by is just added insult to injury

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I’m just saying can you see my perspective and why it’s frustrating? Not to mention she didn’t do enough to separate herself from Biden. Remember her quote that was something along the lines of “nothing comes to mind” when asked how she would be different than Biden?

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It’s not a matter of rather having Trump. I hate the fucker. And I realize he’s doing harm; I’m literally trans so it directly impacts my friends and myself. But also we can’t keep going in the endless cycle of dems who won’t do anything meaningful to push things forward. All it’s been is status quo stuff and ignoring the wishes of their voter base. There needs to be a point where people put their foot down and demand more

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No I didn’t. If I chose Trump then I would have filled out the bubble that said Trump

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No I didn’t. I didn’t touch the scale, and in fact told a lot of people not to vote for Trump

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

Also I’m literally in a deep red flyover state so its not like my vote for the president holds much weight

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

I’m in the deepest red flyover state and I voted. Because that attitude gets us nowhere

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Anonymous OP 32w

Idk if your sympathies stop at borders then I’d imagine you care less about people in other states

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

Leftists are something else… do I need to say it again?

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Popular votes doesn’t do much. If we went just by popular vote there wouldn’t have been a Trump term one. Also they could still see how I voted at the state level

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Anonymous OP 32w

Calm down, I was being sarcastic

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

Mhmmm, sure. Weasel your way out

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Anonymous OP 32w

Ok whatever you say dude

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I think on the state level an individual vote carries much more weight then a national level. Pretty sure that’s factually provable depending on the state you’re in

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So if my vote as a leftist is this important, as well as other leftists, why aren’t dems bothering to appeal to leftists at least a little bit? If they truly cared then why sell out so many groups they claimed to care about

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Ok I should be more clear. My individual vote in a state that is far right does not matter. In states that are swing states it would carry substantially more weight. And I think its the responsibility of people to ask more of their candidates, which is why I couldnt necessarily recommend people vote for Kamala, nor could I recommend anyone vote for whatever corporate Dem the party puts out next such as Newsom or some other ghoul

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If the candidate is good I want them to vote for them, but if the candidate sucks then yeah I don’t think voting them is would meaningfully change the course of the country as it currently stands

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We already are seeing them dems adopt republican positions on everything as they constantly backtrack on what positions they claimed to hold. Remember when they joked about the wall only for Biden to go and build more? Or that trans people are deserving of rights only to throw them under the bus after losing and now saying we need to focus on more “normal” issues? As the party currently stands they don’t care. They don’t even pretend to care

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It doesn’t. I don’t want republicans in office. But as things currently stand, I don’t think there is a meaningful difference between people acting maliciously vs people who will go along with all the malicious behavior and back off on anything they claimed to believe while still feeling entitled to a vote. The only difference in that case is how quickly something happens

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Biden locked up people too and separated families though rather than helping anyone gain citizenship. Remember, it’s a misdemeanor to come here illegally. And while yeah, to our knowledge Biden never detained any US citizens, the dems currently are saying the problem isn’t ICE but rather that they need more funding for training. As if ICE isn’t maliciously going after POC

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Huh? This administration has lost most of their court cases outside of SCOTUS

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And what have dems done to stop them when they violate court orders? You do realize senators and representatives are still extremely powerful people with a lot of sway. The most we have really seen is strongly worded letters and useless fluff with no teeth to it

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Ok here’s a little thought experiment. It is a fact that senators and representatives are legally allowed to inspect federal buildings. ICE detention centers fall under this. Why haven’t any of them gone in with press? And this doesn’t require a majority, it requires one person and a few people. Haven’t seen anything from them despite press being an extremely powerful tool

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Where? Where have dems gone inside the detention centers

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Ok? Thats illegal. You then come back with the Marshalls and cops to get in or threaten arrest. Again, totally legal thing to do

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

Like if they’re being denied entry the response isn’t “well shucks, better luck next time”

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I do, but also I think it’s important to demand more than just lawsuits that the administration will ignore. They need to be doing more and showing results. Like even if I was fine with democrat policy as it currently stands, don’t you think that we should elect politicians who are actually effective and get shit done?

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Ok but as bad as Trump is, in the end his administration is constantly tripping over itself. They constantly fuck up and fail to fulfill most their obligations. Look at Epstein, grocery prices, anything like that. Additionally, what other leverage do we have against the current DNC? You can’t keep rewarding bad behavior

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And I’m aware of that but thinking the dems are capable of fixing that damage as the party currently stands is hilarious. Like fuck, the Biden DoJ prosecuted exactly zero people who voted against certifying the 2020 election even after J6th happened. Literally treasonous behavior and yet people got off with no punishment

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He shouldn’t have been able to come back to politics in the first place. In a world where dems are useful, Trump and his cabinet were arrested immediately after Biden was sworn in and all put on trial for J6th. Legally he had every right to. Same with all the others who voted against election certification. And guardrails were put up to prevent such things happening in the future. But we don’t live in that world because the dems didn’t have the guts to do it. Trumps return is in part dems fault

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Because the only way you can truly make your voice heard by the dems as they currently stand is getting bad ones out of office and getting new ones in. You cannot continue to be a party of mediocrity because at this point it is simply not enough. What you keep doing is thinking I believe Trump and conservatives being in power is a good thing. It isn’t. But if the “solution” is voting in people who do nothing, that’s not an actual solution

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And that’s the exact problem. There is no good candidate in the election. In the short term what Trump is doing is awful, but to save the country from ruin, you need the dems to run a candidate that is actually good. “Good enough” isn’t good enough anymore. Dems have shown consistently they are not willing to challenge the previous administrations in any meaningful way. All that voting in the party as it stands will do is continue our current trajectory on cruise control

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Buddy, I am transgender in a deep red state. I’m extremely and painfully aware of the harm taking place right now. But you know what else is harming me? The dems currently doing nothing abt it

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

I take it you learned in school about the bystander effect and how it can create an environment for bullying. You don’t deal with people by being passive

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Every choice gets forced on others. There will always be a decent sized group that disagrees with the direction another takes. Every time. If we want to talk about forcing things on others, I could talk all day about how many people get voted in I have fundamental disagreements with. It’s a democracy

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I’m just tired of this apologia and acting like we can’t do better is all. Like I can point out so many times the horrendous shit dems have done and how they continue to fumble the ball or cave to republican pressure but idk how to get it through to you

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Like I promise I’m not even mad at you, I’m just trying to point out that we can’t keep going in circles over and over expecting different results

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

We know, you just don’t listen. I keep getting notifications for this whole conversation. You just want to complain and we get than your hurt and that the democrats aren’t doing enough but Trump and Maga are going to make things so much worse. We all WANT better than the democrats but we CAN’T take more Trump.

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And I’m saying it’s due to Dem inaction that led us here, and unless you have a better way of finding some leverage against their power, our vote is our best voice for the states it does matter. I’ve never once advocated voting republican or said they’re in the right

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Anonymous OP 32w

I just want to know what your best idea is for getting better dems in office. Because if you have a better idea then getting the bad ones out by showing we don’t support them and not voting for them, I’d love to hear it. I’m totally open to a different strategy if it’s feasible. I want there to be a different strategy and one that is less risky

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I agree with some of those! A decent amount actually! My problem with a lot of them is that it puts money and power back in the hands of the same democrats that are failing us. And I think for very powerful dems such as Schumer or Jeffries those strategies are just not enough

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 32w

I hear you, and yes their complacency has heavily contributed to where we are today. I don’t have a solution to that issue, all I know is that if we keep giving Maga more power things are going to get alot worse alot faster and that scares me.

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Anonymous OP 32w

I think it has to be weighed on a case by case basis to an extent too. Dems who are going up against, idk, someone like Mitt Romney should absolutely have to work for their votes bc we need a stronger Dem party. And if they loose, sure the other guy sucks, but he isn’t a psycho. But if a Dem is running against John McNazi, then yeah keep John McNazi out at any cost. But when the next election comes around, make them work more for your re-election vote

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Trump is a megalomaniac and an authoritarian, but he’s not a Nazi. Him being a Nazi would require him to believe in something higher than himself, which he can’t. Not that I don’t think he is a danger, he is, but the fact we have dems still agreeing with him on lots is a sign that something has to be done abt them. This isn’t just a presidential thing, I’m talking congress

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