Anonymous #1 4w

what does a diplomatic summit have anything to do with invading Ukraine when Biden was president lmao

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Dog-walked? Copium lmfaooo. Getting dog walked is being such a weak US commander in chief that adversaries take a chance to invade other countries and cause geopolitical instability.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s an example of why Putin would like Trump/they flatter each other At the summit, when asked about concerns of Russia interfering in ‘16, Trump essentially said he believed Putin on this over his own intelligence agencies

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Anonymous #1 4w

Oh you wanna talk about the russia hoax. That was completely fabricated by the intelligence community under Obama to hurt Trumps election chances. So yes, he agreed with Putin that Russia had absolutely nothing to do with the election. Lmao.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Brother, Trump keeps having these meetings and then he leaves these meetings saying they were productive. Then just after the meetings Putin creates some other offensive and then Trump rage tweets on fucking truth social crying about it. Biden was not nearly as pathetic and wasn’t getting played for a little bitch by Putin every other week. But I get it, you have a blinding love for your great emperor God. You are incapable of seeing flaws. :)

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Anonymous OP 4w

Of course trump would agree w/putin bc that makes him look better, and ofc putin would appreciate that bc it flatters him

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Lmao. He met with putin and less than 48 hours later all major european country leaders were in the oval office discussing ways to end the war. Biden was a little bitch that let the war even be possible in the first place. Surely “moderate_monkey” would have a balanced view of this but clearly not. He is not God and is flawed, but clearly you cannot recognize the flaws of the former president and his weakness.

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Anonymous OP 4w

neither trump nor biden are “little b*tches”

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Anonymous #1 4w

So, nothing to say on the fact that the story was completely fabricated and you wanted, what? Trump to not call it out as a hoax and blame Russia and escalate conflict? Even though it was a simple admission of fact that it was a hoax and russia had nothing to do with the election? And both were just stating that fact? How dumb are you?

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Anonymous #1 4w

that’s in reply to MM too

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Anonymous #1 4w

Fair enough

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Anonymous OP 4w

Ok, fine sure, I’m willing to accept that Biden caused this war. If you can give me a single piece of definitive proof that Biden being president caused the war to start. Even though, yuh know, if Trump is so all powerful and tough on Putin and Putin was so obviously afraid of Trump. You would think the war would already be over. But no, it’s not, because Trump keeps getting played for Putin’s little bitch. Which is why he is constantly crying in truth social.😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

Fabricated or not, we didn’t know that in 2018. Perhaps it would’ve been better to not sound so deferential to Putin there, maybe say that hes also consulting his intelligence folks I’m not dumb, and neither are you

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Anonymous woodyguthrie 4w

The crimean conflict under obama was resolved and there was peace before 2022

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Anonymous #1 4w

Trump is 100% a little bitch. Considering he rolls over for dictator dick every other week and then gets shocked and cries when the dictator lied to him. He is a fucking moron.😂

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yeah *you* didnt know it was fabricated, but the leader of Russia knew Russia had nothing to do with it, and Trump knew Russia had nothing to do with it. So they confirmed it was a hoax knowing they had nothing to do with it. Consult the same intelligence community that just fabricated a hoax about him to hurt his election… sure.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

My proof that Biden being president caused the war to start: “I would never have invaded Ukraine if Trump was president in 2022” - Putin Seems like pretty definitive proof that Biden’s dovish governance created an opportunity to invade Ukraine.

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Anonymous OP 4w

The leader of Russia would ofc say he didn’t have anything to do w/interfering in an election lol, the same way i would say i didn’t have anything to do w/a vase i broke It would be unwise for any leader to rely solely on putin’s words. If the intelligence folks say that it was fabricated (which apparently they are now), then sure

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Anonymous #1 4w

Well Trump and Putin were correct and not lying, unlike the Obama admin’s intelligence community who made the story up, so what’s your point?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Putin says as he stands on a Podium in front of the nation side by side with Trump. Yea, I’m sure that is a meaningful thing from an obviously trustworthy guy. The same nation he is currently trying to turn against Ukraine, with the help of Trump not only actively trying to play PR for Putin but also turn the US people against Ukraine that we signed a defense pact with. But yea man, so real. Dictators NEVER lie to people to get what they want.😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

ur telling me that by 2018, trump didn’t have his own intelligence folks in?

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Who would you rather trust? Political talking heads on TV or straight from the horses mouth? The same political talking heads who harped on and on in 2016 about Russian election interference that was completely fabricated? And Putin said it didnt happen? And he was correct? Seems like who you put your trust in is kind of important for understanding geopolitics. But you’d rather believe that Putin is turning the US against Ukraine, rather than trying to end the conflict

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Anonymous #1 4w

He did but clearly this term there’s less establishment in the way, or more drive to actually release the evidence

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Anonymous OP 4w

Alright i would hope there are folks in the intelligence community who aren’t talking heads on MSNBC or whatever

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Anonymous OP 4w

You mean the same guy that said the entire reason for invading Ukraine was because the Ukrainian government is actually full of Nazis? The same guy that told Trump he said would negotiate a ceasefire only to immediately escalate the conflict after meeting with Trump despite Ukraine deescalating after the meeting. Yea, I prefer not to put my trust in authoritarian dictatorships. But you make it abundantly clear how much you are willing to trust them :)

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yeah they’re both massive bitches. Little is far too nice

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Putin said it was for the ethnic russians in the donbas. Not sure of this nazi claim lmao. If you wanna talk about authoritarian dictatorships, yeah russia is one but so is ukraine at this point (suspended elections and constitution that never allows land to be given up so seems like a sly way to remain in power forever) I trust the President more than Putin obviously :)

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

the entire premise of your point is we can’t trust anything a leader says because of the regime they exist in power, except if it’s like, israel or something which is a representative democracy, in which we couldn’t trust anything they say either? like how would anyone ever find peace if they wholeheartedly believe everything the other side says is lies, strictly based on the design of their regime?

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Anonymous #5 4w

Advice? This is an admission.

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Anonymous OP 4w

from the russian dictator?

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Anonymous #5 4w

idk how you people operate on the assumption that every single thing that comes out of someones mouth is a lie. it’s simply disingenuous and a path to escalation

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Anonymous OP 4w

sorry i don’t trust the man who has been in major government power for over 20+ years and now is impossible to kick out of office?

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Anonymous OP 4w

The entire premise of my point is you can’t trust dictators… I’m not talking about Germany’s leaders, or the UK’s leaders. I’m talking about Putin and frankly by extension, Trump.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Right but surely the authoritarian regime in Ukraine, with canceled elections, is trustworthy? this worldview is irreconcilable. “painted his enemies as neo-nazis” is not “the reason he invaded ukraine because the government is full of nazis” but that nuance is probably indifferent for you.

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Anonymous OP 4w

How would anyone find peace? Brother RUSSIA started the war. PUTIN is the one lying to legitimize his invasion. It is strategically important to delegitimize his enemies to the American people because we support the Ukrainian military. Trump said he would end these wars day one so confidently and, again, all he’s done is cry on truth social after every meeting with Putin because Putin fucking LIED!!!😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s literally in their constitution that they can’t hold elections during a war lmfaooo. Look at the fucking article I sent, he literally used “denazification” as a justification for invasion, you fucking dolt.😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

you do know that other countries also pause their elections during war right? like esp if their country is under attack?

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Anonymous OP 4w

The Ukrainian constitution forbids elections during wartime… and how exactly does the existence of a minority of ethnic Russians there let Russia steal a quarter of Ukraine? Those same ethnic Russians have ethnically cleansed the region with the help of Russian troops, starting back in 2013.

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Anonymous #5 4w

If you cannot see that a clause like that is a moral hazard and incentive not to end the war, and blanketly assert that everything one says is a lie based on the structure of their regime, you have no business discussing geopolitics.

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Anonymous OP 4w

“For a world without Nazism”, Putin.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Cool man anyway you found an example of a lie that doesnt make every word out of his mouth a lie. Again, peace can never be had if you assume everything someone says is a lie. Still dont understand how you assert authoritarianism to Putin but not to Ukraine when in fact both are acting in an authoritarian regime

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Anonymous OP 4w

You think Ukraine is trying to stay in the war? They are the only ones actually coming to the table in good faith. Which is why they keep getting fucked over after every “meeting” between Trump and Putin. Because then the Trump admin talks to the Ukrainians who deescalate just to get fucked over by Russia using it as an opportunity to push further, bomb more homes, take more land. Like Trump is Putin’s little bitch. He has him on a leash.💀

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Ukraine is deescalating by going to the white house and demanding more weapons and blank checks. Sure man. You clearly have your mind set in this fantasy world

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Anonymous OP 4w

Jesus Christ you are so fucking naive. Putin started the war. He has explicitly stated his intentions and the “necessity” of annexing Ukrainian land.

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Anonymous OP 4w

THEY ARE GETTING INVADED YOU FUCKING MORON. WE SIGNED A DEFENSE PACT WITH THEM SAYING WE WOULD DEFEND THEM IF THEY GOT RID OF THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS. THEY AGREED. WE ARE OBLIGATED TO HELP DEFEND THEM.

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Obligated to defend is not true. We are obligated to give them weapons and share intelligence. Not blank checks. Not military support Do you honestly believe that ukraine can successfully win the war? if your answer is no, which it should be, there is no alternative for the country to survive other than peaceful resolve. If your answer is yes your just dumb and cannot be helped. So again, tell me how Trump wanting to make peace is “getting dog walked by putin”?

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Anonymous OP 4w

no?? there’s been fighting in the Donbas since 2013, namely the “separatists” that were actually unmarked Russian troops.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Also it wasn’t “an” example, it was at least two examples of him lying (despite using the same lies over and over again). Putin says he’ll come to the table and when Ukraine cools down their offensives, Russia makes impossible demands and uses the opportunity to push against Ukraine harder when their guard is lowered. Putin assures Trump they he is willing to negotiate and then Trump calls it a success. And then escalates the war in Ukraine. And even TRUMP recognizes being taken advantage of,

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Anonymous OP 4w

because it is in his interest to lie???

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Anonymous OP 4w

Because he’s fucking crying about it on Truth social. This is YOUR fucking emperor god king, dumbass.

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Anonymous OP 4w

The story wasn’t fabricated? People went to prison over it, it was real. Russia blatantly interferes in our elections and absolutely coordinates with Republicans to aid them.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Russia literally interferes in the elections of basically every western country…

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Anonymous #6 4w

The story was completely fabricated https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2025/4086-pr-15-25

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Anonymous OP 4w

Hold on, you think we were writing them, “blank checks”? Frankly, yes. Despite the fact that Russia was supposedly one of the world’s most formidable armies they have made little to no progress getting land, ultimately trading blows in land grabs with Ukrainian counter offensives. But also ultimately losing more ground since the beginning of the war than they have ultimately gotten. Yes, I think the Ukrainian military is more than capable of winning a war in attrition against the Russian gov

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Anonymous OP 4w

The same Gov whose army is seeing massive amounts of desertion, domestic unrest, their economy is in fucking shambles. The possibility for Ukraine to outright just outlast the Russian Federation is a very real possibility considering the cracks in the Russian government’s system have been showing since the start of the war.

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Anonymous OP 4w

If Trump hasn’t been getting lied to and tricked by Putin, then why has he been crying on Truth social about Putin not holding to their agreements? After so confidently leaving the talks mind you.😂

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Anonymous OP 4w

Like, lil bro, you keep talking about how other people shouldn’t be talking about geo politics. You didn’t even know about one of Russia’s main justifications for the war, you don’t know about the Budapest Memorandum, you think the US has been writing Ukraine “blank checks”. Buddy YOU don’t know what you’re talking about…😂

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Yeah you have no idea what your talking about. Thanks for the confirmation. One is a nuclear power and a population 14x that of the smaller country and a military economy. Versus an agricultural economy. Your claim they havent gotten any land is a downright lie. They control 19-20%, most of Luhansk, and large parts of Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You think Ukraine can defeat Russia. This is comparable to saying Canada can defeat the US military. Just astounding

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Anonymous OP 4w

First of all, not 19-20% it’s more like 12 and it essentially amounts to have the size of NY state. Second of all, I said they have lost ground since the start of the war. Look at the graph and read for like 2 mins. Also, you conveniently ignored everything else I said. :)

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Anonymous OP 4w

Right and this Nuclear power has been at a standstill since they lost a shit ton of territory at the beginning of the war… You would think they would be able to beat back all those “farmers”😂

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Half the size of NY state*

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Anonymous OP 4w

Actually it’s closer to Oregon not NY

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Look man i aint even gonna reply anymore because you think a country with a population of 14 million can win a war against a nuclear power with 140 Million.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I said the can win a war of attrition. They are already doing this.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Facts don’t care about your feelings 😢

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Anonymous moderatemonkey 4w

Holy moly y’all are still at it 😭😭 respect to you both

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