Anonymous #1 6w

I disagree with the premise of the question. Men are not more valuable than women in Islam at all, it’s pretty clearly said we are viewed equally by God

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Anonymous #2 6w

Sunni, 90% of Muslims are Sunni

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Anonymous OP 6w

In the Quran it says a mans value or vote or smn is worth more than the woman’s

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Anonymous #1 6w

Yeah, keep mansplaining to him his own religion, you’re so knowledgeable.

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Anonymous OP 6w

Then why is it that women can’t visit a majority of religious mosques? And the ones that do allow it segregate the women to a much smaller room for prayer?

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Anonymous #4 6w

I’m asking someone more knowledgeable than me

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Anonymous #3 6w

Haram, ppl do haram things while calling themselves Muslim. Hopefully they change their ways and God forgives them

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Anonymous #4 6w

sooo maybe give him a chance to tell where his question is stemming from?…

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Anonymous OP 6w

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Anonymous #1 6w

Well it doesn’t say that. A lot of online groups will circulate misinformation on the subject to malign Islam unfortunately. There’s a verse that says 2 female witnesses are necessary for matters regarding civil disputes over contract law, but that makes sense since pre-Islam women were by and large not educated by society on commercial contracts or really educated at all. Scholars interpret this verse as calling for specialization and knowledge from witnesses for situations, and if they aren’t

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Anonymous #1 6w

Knowledgable on this issue at hand, to need more witnesses to corroborate. The Quran pretty explicitly states that men and women are equal before God except for piety. So if a woman is a better Muslim and more moral than a man, she is held in higher regard and compensated in heaven for it by God, same vice versa

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Anonymous #5 6w

Idk where you’ve been tbh, my mosque lets women in. There’s less space in the women’s area bc men are required to pray in congregation at the mosque when able while women have the option to pray at home if they want. Most women don’t come to the masjid to pray bc they’re not obligated to so you don’t need as much space. There’s gender segregation across Islam for a lot of stuff, when we pray, we stand next to eachother touching and bow down in reverence of God

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Anonymous #5 6w

I would not want a random man standing next to my little sister touching her as we pray, regardless of who he actually is as a person. Men are also required to lead prayer, women pray behind men, so there is a separation. We’re not there to work out random social relations or be distracted, we are there to pray and submit to God

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Anonymous OP 6w

The problem is not the separation. It’s the unequal spacing and accommodations that do not allow women to pray as comfortably as men get to in their prayer rooms. The prayer rooms are different and that is inequity. And i find it hard to believe that you’ve never heard of or seen a mosque not allowing women. It’s quite common really. Even in America it happens

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Anonymous #5 6w

Idk what to tell you then tbh. You asked me a question and I gave you an answer. I’ve never been to or heard of a masjid before that didn’t allow women, I’ve been to ones where there’s less space for women—but that’s bc not as many come since they’re not required to like men are. When building thing, construction plans are based on expected occupancy, so it wouldn’t make sense to build a space just as large for women if maybe 10% of it gets utilized, that’s just bad space utilization

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Anonymous #8 6w

They’re human beings like anyone else, I might disagree with their beliefs and view mine to be true, but that doesn’t mean I collectively have any bad view of them. Some of them are better than some Muslims I know, ultimately it is God’s judgement that matters, not mine

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Anonymous #9 6w

This is actually a rly interesting topic! Well there is no one “Islamic law” you’ll find like 20 different opinions for a given case in fiqh (law). Islam is both a spiritual practice and a social one, the social aspect helps strengthen the spiritual practice. So me choosing to pray 5 times a day is me following Islamic law by the way. This law has never been considered as something tethered to government, the government has no right to make law in traditional Islamic understanding, courts

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Anonymous #9 6w

Were grassroots affairs of communities educating their own scholars to then preside over them as judges. This would allow for flexibility and contextualization of law that was very diverse, Thomas Bauer discusses this at detail in “Islam a culture of ambiguity.” So in that frame of reference, and considering the fact that Islamic law mandates me to follow the government in matters that aren’t haram and follow my contracts (like me choosing to be a citizen), I don’t think it would make sense for

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Anonymous #9 6w

Islamic law to “be implemented.” In fact, you could make a pretty good argument that if the government were to do that it would be haram. Whether we should have a civil arbitration courts like Jewish ppl do for personal disputes & other civil matters is the more interesting question and something I’d be open to. America is a secular country that has people of varying religions and worldviews, it is constitutionally separated from religion in state matters, it should not “implement Islamic law”

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Anonymous #9 6w

And if it were to ever do that I would ignore it, it would also be incredibly unjust to force “Islamic law” on to people who by and large don’t even know what Islam really is let alone believe in it. Islam has a rich history of scholastic dissent against authoritarian. governments that try to co-opt religion into their authoritarian nonsense

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Anonymous #6 6w

This is tough for me to answer since I come from a variety of cultures and view myself as culturally American—which ig is a pretty good catch all term for that since America encapsulates a variety of cultural dishes—but right now I’d say I really like Gajar ka halwa. If I had to describe it I’d say it’s like the filling of a pumpkin pie but carrot instead and just the filling without the pie. It’s pretty good

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Anonymous OP 6w

Thank you for taking the time to write all that out, this is an emotional topic for me, but I keep an open mind. I am even named after the prophet and had most of the Quran memorized by 9, so I know about the complexity you’re talking about. But I’ve seen how that “culture of ambiguity” actually works in practice, whoever screams loudest or has the most power decides which of those 20 opinions count (or if they need a 21st). The rest just stay quiet.

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Anonymous #9 6w

That’s why I asked about living in it, not just theorizing. When push comes to shove, the nuanced debates get bulldozed by whoever can dominate. And good luck taking it back from there.

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Anonymous OP 6w

This is what I was referring to

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Anonymous #1 6w

Oh okay yeah inheritance law—men are required to use their funds to take care of the family. If a man and woman get married, the woman has zero obligation to provide and the man has no right to her property or money in any capacity. The wife would have a right to the husband’s though. So to account for the extra financial responsibilities that men have to take on, they are given more, since women already get access to a man they’d marry’s property. This reason is why some of the wealthiest

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Anonymous #1 6w

People historically were women that would fund the building of institutions, like the oldest university in the world in Morocco. Ofc there are edge cases where the rules of inheritance would change, this would depend on the context, sometimes the mom could end up with the largest inheritance. In effect, post marriage women typically have more access to capital and assets than men

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Anonymous #9 6w

Same lol. Memorized at 8 though mwahahahaha. Hopefully you received a substantive education beyond just memorization though, some cultures seem to see memorization alone as satisfactory (I am in fact throwing heavy shade at prevalent south Asian ideas on this). Based on what I’ve said I think you probably already know I hold the scholastic view that such govs & ppl imposing some hegemonic idea of sharia are haram, and that no actual Islamic governance system currently exists in the world

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Anonymous #9 6w

It’s not theorizing at all bc for the majority of Muslim history, having that culture of ambiguity and multiple opinions was literally the norm until colonization—which was only 1-200 or so years ago. The destruction of that system was an explicit purpose of colonists. Current “Muslim” countries are still effectively ideologically colonized in their very governance systems. They rely on powerful nation state structures that impose universal hegemonic law on all citizens—which is not what Islam

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Anonymous #9 6w

Is about whatsoever. In your average Muslim country, if you say something the gov doesn’t like religiously you get thrown in prison or worse since the state co-opts religion—that’s fundamentally unislamic and authoritarian. For that reason, I would argue that America with its limited governance secular system is actually the best place for Muslims to practice islam and grow spiritually in the entire world

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Anonymous OP 6w

What about for single women though? A lot of this seems hinged on the fact that a woman is/will be married to a man

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Anonymous #1 6w

Well in traditional Islamic societies the vast majority of people would be married, the increase in single people is a largely western-secular-modern phenomenon. And when I say modern I mean the philosophical paradigms underpinning modernity, not cars. If a woman is unmarried the male family members would be supporting her, in an Islamic system women being taken care of is a pretty important concern

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Anonymous OP 6w

So she’s still subject to what men decide?

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Anonymous #1 6w

No, that’s literally the antithesis of Islam and everything I’ve said in this post. She’s subject to what God decides—as are men. Women are actual human beings with agency and intellect, they’re not helpless without men. It is however, our God-given obligation as men to take care of them as we are able, not for them per se, but because God commands us to. Islam means submission, we submit to God and find peace in that submission. If you actually believe in Islam and want to live by it, it’s not

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Anonymous #1 6w

Up to you as a man to decide who gets what or who you take care of—it’s already been prescribed by God to you. Now in the example of hashish like the person above asked, I could just ignore my religion and do haram stuff like doing hashish not take care of my family even though that’s haram, but I would have to answer to God for that when this little simulation is over

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