Anonymous #2 4d

Feel free to provide them. Trans people commit less violence per capita than straight white people.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Someone did but it looks like people didn’t like it

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Anonymous #2 4d

Asking someone to explain doesn’t mean “didn’t like”

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Anonymous #2 4d

Per capita stats don’t work when there’s such a disparity in population sizes and no control for overlapping risk factors.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

Risk factors such as?

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Anonymous #2 4d

Unrelated mental illnesses, history of abuse, substance issues, exposure to groups/ideologies that groom people into violence.

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Anonymous OP 4d

so white men account for a lower % of mass shootings than they do the male population and black men account for a higher % of mass shootings than they do the male population. of course white men are going to commit more mass shootings than other races of men, there are far more of them. but this statistic clearly shows black men have a greater propensity for mass shootings per capita. contrary to your post,that would indicate a gun in less safe in the hands of a black man than it is a white man.

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Anonymous OP 4d

(pt 2) to be clear i don't think we should take away the guns of anyone based on race, but these statistics don't actually support the idea that "white cishet men" are more likely to commit mass shootings and therefore shouldn't own guns. it indicates that in proportion to their population, white men are less likely to use their guns to to commit mass shootings than black men. regardless, im not advocating to take away the gun rights of black men. that would be unconstitutional and racist.

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Anonymous #5 4d

The website mentioned does address this, it states that men disproportionally commit more mass shootings than women. Of course there are women that are mass shooters but the data focuses on race

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Anonymous #6 4d

I’m just going to refer you to Amethyst headphones comment down below cus I think they wrote a response to this better than I could

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

Those same risks factor into the data as a whole no? Looking at it through the lens of per capita or as a whole

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Anonymous #2 4d

But the point is that because those things overlap across the two populations, you have to control for them in order to extract useful data from per capita because the population sizes are drastically different. Only a minor difference in any of those would LOOK much more significant in per capita data otherwise.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

i don't understand the point here. how does any of this mean that "per capita stats don't work" in the aforementioned situations? per capita is just a further breakdown of the data we are already looking at. the statistics that you do say are valid also don't account for any of those variables in either race bc that's not what the data is about. more white men commit mass shootings than black men but black men commit more per capita. that is a factual conclusion. an entirely different study-

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

-would need to be conducted if we wanted to understand the reasoning behind that, i don't think anyone here would disagree with that. all we get from this data is the numbers, but those are absolutely valid even when you look at them per capita. we can't come to any further conclusions though (hypothetical ex. white men or black men are inherently more "violent") without further research. but the conclusion that per capita black men have a higher propensity to commit mass shootings based on-

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

-on this data is completely valid. the reason why though can only be speculated on. and to be clear i am not saying this to say that black men are "more dangerous" on average than white men. that's not what this data shows for either group. it just gives us numbers about who mass shootings are most committed by and what demographic is more likely to commit them. like you said, there are variables that are crucial for context in that stat, but that doesn't mean we can't apply per capita here.

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Anonymous #5 4d

nah it's WHITE men, don't try to diverge😭 yall wanna talk about how Black men commit crime until the statistic isn't in your favor

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Anonymous #7 4d

.. I mean… it’s men too… You’re right, white people are more violent than nonwhite people. Don’t let OP pivot. Just look at the stats of violent crime rates for native born citizens vs undocumented immigrants per capita, for example. Actually shocking. By all accounts undocumented immigrants commit less crime than native born citizens by multiple orders of magnitude.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Pivot? Mate, I said the article addresses the gender disparity, that’s it

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Anonymous OP 4d

Word. Well, to that I point to the aforementioned violent crime statistics on undocumented immigrants per capita.

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Anonymous OP 4d

Who are primarily nonwhite, with native born citizens being primarily white.

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Anonymous #3 4d

I agree, I’ve seen that study as well, yet people claim undocumented immigrants commit more crimes. Which doesn’t make sense, if your undocumented you’d want to fly under the radar to avoid being caught and deported

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Anonymous #8 4d

Do you?

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Anonymous #7 4d

Nah, its not “just” white men though. Im not trying to diverge im trying to connect the dots, instead of going “yea well this one dot is a specific color so that makes the rest less bad comparably” like no… MEN… decide to kill people MORE than women do… whether you want to accept that or not is probably what reflects how much of your view of the world is biased because instead of accepting people are just guilty, you need to determine whos “more / less” guilty. Whether a white or black man shot

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Anonymous #5 4d

I didn't say it's JUST white men. it's mostly white men. so at the end of the day, this is more of a white issue than a men/women issue since it's mostly THEM (white) doing mass shootings😭 like idk what else you want me to say. WHITE MEN decide to kill people MORE than Black people do

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 4d

Democrats are so biased asf smh. They’ll post some bigoted bullshit like that then come up with every excuse in the book as to why minorities commit crimes at higher rate. “Per capita stats don’t work” that’s just delusion and denial. Stop taking a moral high ground when you’re just a bigoted as a fucking racist. Same flawed mentality, different group targeted.

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Anonymous #9 4d

So when white people commit crimes it’s cause they’re bad, when black people do it, it’s out of necessity and “overlapping risk factors”. Fucking bigots

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Anonymous #7 3d

Not rlly, like if you think about it the fact that the website itself says that theres not rlly alot going on on the womens side of things, you realize that men make up a little less than half the population on average. So the highest majority in where this behavior is exhibited is on the male spectrum mainly… not the “white” spectrum because theres white women too yk? We’re all human, man and woman and whoever else.

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A bigoted*

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Anonymous #9 3d

1. I’m not a Democrat 2. The cause of crime can never be reliably determined based on race alone. I’ve helped prosecute and defend criminal defendants of lots of different races in several different countries.

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Anonymous OP 3d

chances of any gang related mass shootings being removed from black mass shootings stat is extremely high

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Anonymous #7 3d

well per capita it is BLACK men. Let me break it down for you simply. If you switched the population sizes, there would be more mass shootings than there are now if it follows current trends

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