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justinian

I oppose Israel’s apartheid system and war crimes. However, the millions of Israeli people should and likely will stay there. Any notion of abolishing Israel as a concept in 2026 is pretty silly and if actually carried out, would be an actual genocide.
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Anonymous 15h

Do you really think Palestinians will be allowed to return to their homes with even a significant portion of the Israeli population remaining in the Levant? At the bare minimum actual connection to the land prior to 1948 should be proven, after the establishment of Israel countless Palestinians had their homes stolen and were forcefully removed from the country

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Anonymous 14h

Why would that be an “actual” genocide? Do you not believe that israel is currently carrying out a genocide?

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Anonymous 11h

But it would be a genocide I like

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 15h

A process which is still actively happening day by day as well

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 15h

Yes. That happened in the United States also. But it’s not feasible to expel all post-1607 Americans either. Most Israelis have no other country to go back to.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 15h

I understand you probably have good intentions but you are unknowingly asking for a mostly involuntary mass movement of millions of people that probably can’t be done without hundreds of thousands of deaths

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

Of course Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza! Every single reputable genocide scholar agrees. Its literally televised!

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Anonymous replying to -> justinian 14h

Okay, just making sure cause the wording sorta juxtaposed “actual genocide” with the war crimes and apartheid

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

Tone is hard to convey over text

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

Ill put it this way. Obviously America did a massive genocide against Native Americans, but I don’t think forcibly moving all white Americans to Britain, Italy, and Ireland would be a good outcome. 2026 isn’t 1948, and though the Israeli state is committing a genocide, we can’t ethically do a demographic reset of how things were in Palestine 100 years ago without doing another genocide.

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Anonymous replying to -> justinian 14h

No one is suggesting that? People are suggesting one democratic state with equal rights, not kicking out every “israeli”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

I have seen people suggest that. There are people supporting a single democratic state, AND there are people who want to expel the Israelis. Both ideas are different but i have seen both expressed.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

Westerners tend to suggest a single democratic state. Palestinians tend to suggest kicking out every Israeli. The issue is that you need the vast majority of Palestinians on board for the first idea to work. We’re nowhere close.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 14h

I agree with that. I personally would support a secular democratic Palestine with protections for the Hebrew speaking Israeli population, or a 2 state solution with a very deeply reconstructed de-radicalized Israel (like how West Germany was reconstructed). What I think is stupid is the fringe view that all or most of the Israelis that don’t have pre-Aliyah roots can or should be expelled to Poland or whatever.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 14h

A single democratic state was the goal of the PLO from 1967 onwards. But the colonization of the West Bank led to radicalization towards groups like Hamas

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 12h

I don’t get how Palestinian refugees are able to claim an infinite right of return when all other refugees (Syrians for example) have to immigrate and integrate into their new homes. Children of refugees should not be refugees

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 12h

Palestinian refugees are actually denied citizenship rights in Jordan and Lebanon. You have generations of people there who remain stateless. Jordan though has granted citizenship to Palestinian refugees living there. And then all the Palestinian refugees living in Gaza and the West Bank haven’t really been able to make a new home because Israel is displacing them once again.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 12h

Sorry I meant to say Syria and Lebanon. Syria and Lebanon deny them citizenship (though they have more rights in Syria comparatively). Jordan has integrated them.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 11h

Anti-Zionism and antisemitism are two distinct things. You are a prime example of both.

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